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Unread post by Seattleapp » Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm

Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
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What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.

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Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:25 pm

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That's what she said.
I mean I'd be lying if this wasn't the first joke that came across my mind when I read the post.
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Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:28 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.
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I applaud you sir. Absolutely crushed it with this comment. In today's world, we have OnlyFans and the NCAA.
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Unread post by KentHogan » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:02 pm

MrCraig wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:55 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:08 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:34 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:57 pm
MrCraig wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:50 pm


Thank you for this. Quit blaming the players for not wanting to play for a coach that didn’t recruit them. Marshall obviously doesn’t care about those players leaving or they would’ve extended the coach who just won the conference title.
How about they play for the love of the game? I played for some awful coaches and with some sorry teammates but I always played. What happens to these young men in real life when someone walks out or God forbid disappoints them?
How about those slaves pick some cotton for the love of 400 thread count sheets. I wish this was not happening to be honest but these players are not slaves or indentured servants, much to the chagrin of some fans of college football.
Hyperbole much? When all else fails
Pull out the slavery card. I hope
You are drunk because this is the dumbest comment. These “slaves” are making more
Than the coaches. Maybe you need a course on what slavery means. Or just keep pushing your stupid Marxist ideology
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
Vast majority of the talented players have always been compensated with scholarships, many of which are worth 6 figures over several years. Players have always been able to transfer and change schools.

Now, college football is pro football but with no rules, contracts etc.

It’s really inaccurate to call it college football at this point.

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Unread post by Stonewall » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:07 pm

As I understand it the $2-4k a month is a good payout for the average player. Someone, so take with a grain of salt , but a good source told me Joey got $150k for the season.

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Unread post by 311neers » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:56 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:07 pm
As I understand it the $2-4k a month is a good payout for the average player. Someone, so take with a grain of salt , but a good source told me Joey got $150k for the season.
$30k/win. Not a bad deal for him. $150k for 3 months of ball.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:18 pm

KentHogan wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:02 pm
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:55 am
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:08 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:34 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:57 pm


How about they play for the love of the game? I played for some awful coaches and with some sorry teammates but I always played. What happens to these young men in real life when someone walks out or God forbid disappoints them?
How about those slaves pick some cotton for the love of 400 thread count sheets. I wish this was not happening to be honest but these players are not slaves or indentured servants, much to the chagrin of some fans of college football.
Hyperbole much? When all else fails
Pull out the slavery card. I hope
You are drunk because this is the dumbest comment. These “slaves” are making more
Than the coaches. Maybe you need a course on what slavery means. Or just keep pushing your stupid Marxist ideology
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
Vast majority of the talented players have always been compensated with scholarships, many of which are worth 6 figures over several years. Players have always been able to transfer and change schools.

Now, college football is pro football but with no rules, contracts etc.

It’s really inaccurate to call it college football at this point.
The no contacts part is what is really screwing it up.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:25 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.
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Not sure how this got screwed up but the part below is mine..mjohn1988
This is flat out spot on. I said pretty much the same in another thread. There are going to be a bunch of players who never graduate, never make any good relationships, don’t make the pros and end up broke and looking for a job only to find out being a has been football player isn’t really a sought after skill set. This needs some rules.

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Unread post by MrCraig » Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:20 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:25 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.
Not sure how this got screwed up but the part below is mine..mjohn1988
This is flat out spot on. I said pretty much the same in another thread. There are going to be a bunch of players who never graduate, never make any good relationships, don’t make the pros and end up broke and looking for a job only to find out being a has been football player isn’t really a sought after skill set. This needs some rules.
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I love that yall think 5 or so years ago, before the new transfer rules and NIL, all football coaches and athletic departments were paragons of altruism. WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!? Gimme a break. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, or whoever weren’t teaching any of those kids life skills and money management, and those kids were still getting money, cars, clothes, or whatever.

Ironically, your argument actually supports the transfer rules. If a player decides to go to a school because he thinks a coach will help him develop, whether athletically, personally, or spiritually, isn’t it fair that said player should be able to transfer whenever that coach leaves for a different job and/or doesn’t follow through with his promises to the player?

College football has only been about winning games and making money since roughly the invention of television. I’m sorry you don’t like that every one is getting some of that money now.

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Re: Marshall Pulls Out

Unread post by Seattleapp » Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:34 pm

MrCraig wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:20 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:25 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.
Not sure how this got screwed up but the part below is mine..mjohn1988
This is flat out spot on. I said pretty much the same in another thread. There are going to be a bunch of players who never graduate, never make any good relationships, don’t make the pros and end up broke and looking for a job only to find out being a has been football player isn’t really a sought after skill set. This needs some rules.
I love that yall think 5 or so years ago, before the new transfer rules and NIL, all football coaches and athletic departments were paragons of altruism. WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!? Gimme a break. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, or whoever weren’t teaching any of those kids life skills and money management, and those kids were still getting money, cars, clothes, or whatever.

Ironically, your argument actually supports the transfer rules. If a player decides to go to a school because he thinks a coach will help him develop, whether athletically, personally, or spiritually, isn’t it fair that said player should be able to transfer whenever that coach leaves for a different job and/or doesn’t follow through with his promises to the player?

College football has only been about winning games and making money since roughly the invention of television. I’m sorry you don’t like that every one is getting some of that money now.
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You completely skirt the points I made which Is cool and not surprising. You are also being dishonest to suggest these kids are all transferring to get better “coaching”. No one believes that for a second. They are chasing money and that’s it. Also it’s lazy and dishonest to just throw coaches out there as villains. Just admit you are in the “I need my team to win at any cost to make me feel better” camp. And this isn’t some issue of the kids can’t transfer after a coach leaves. That’s not what this is at all.

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Unread post by MrCraig » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:05 am

Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:34 pm
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:20 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:25 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:15 pm
Go find me literally one player make more money per year in NIL than his coach. The vast majority of college football players receive very little NIL money.

His analogy is strong and arguably incorrect, but he’s 100% right that college football has finally caught up with capitalism. Young men are being financially compensated for their worth based on what the market sees as their value. The cherry on top is the number of obviously right-leaning folks who really hate to see this.

Why it bothers so many people that someone should be allowed to make money off their name and talent, and move to another job/school when a better opportunity arises, is completely beyond me.
What i find fascinating since this whole pay for play thing has blown up are the number of people such as yourself who climb atop some moral mountain and proclaim to the "Right wingers" you are on the side of saving these young men. There's also the insinuation of racism peppered in there as well just for good measure and it's always framed as being in favor or capitalism. Who's against that right? But it's much deeper than throwing a pile of money at a kid.

The very people, such as yourself who are accusing others of keeping these kids down I would argue in some cases, mine for example have the exact opposite agenda. I actually am really concerned about what life is going to look like in 20 years for a lot of these kids, many of whom come from not great areas or family lives. Traditionally football has always been a way out. But we aren't doing them any favors by removing all guardrails and throwing cash at them at 18. So many of these kids need structure. They need to know a college degree is important. Mentorship is crucial. Teamwork and accountability is important. Money management and basic life skills are necessary. I have genuine concerns all of that is being washed away now. I don't care if kids get paid. I'm a grown man with my own career and family. What I do have a problem with is that these kids are just whoring themselves out in six month blocks to people who don't give a rat's ass about what happens to them in life. There are ZERO expectations on the player now. Get as much money anywhere you can and nothing is more important than "gettin yours". I know many on here will disagree with my position but I think it's terrible what has happened to college athletics. We've gone from the "poor players" are getting exploited by the evil universities to now getting exploited by the fans who are renting them.

So while you proclaim you care so much about these kids being treated fairly. I'll sit back and wonder what will become of many of them once the money runs out and they aren't in the NFL and they don't have a degree or any real skills to fall back on. There will be fallout from all of this. There is a human element that transcends simply "getting paid" and if the position is well they gotta figure it out then perhaps folks aren't a virtuous as they would like to appear.
Not sure how this got screwed up but the part below is mine..mjohn1988
This is flat out spot on. I said pretty much the same in another thread. There are going to be a bunch of players who never graduate, never make any good relationships, don’t make the pros and end up broke and looking for a job only to find out being a has been football player isn’t really a sought after skill set. This needs some rules.
I love that yall think 5 or so years ago, before the new transfer rules and NIL, all football coaches and athletic departments were paragons of altruism. WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!? Gimme a break. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, or whoever weren’t teaching any of those kids life skills and money management, and those kids were still getting money, cars, clothes, or whatever.

Ironically, your argument actually supports the transfer rules. If a player decides to go to a school because he thinks a coach will help him develop, whether athletically, personally, or spiritually, isn’t it fair that said player should be able to transfer whenever that coach leaves for a different job and/or doesn’t follow through with his promises to the player?

College football has only been about winning games and making money since roughly the invention of television. I’m sorry you don’t like that every one is getting some of that money now.
You completely skirt the points I made which Is cool and not surprising. You are also being dishonest to suggest these kids are all transferring to get better “coaching”. No one believes that for a second. They are chasing money and that’s it. Also it’s lazy and dishonest to just throw coaches out there as villains. Just admit you are in the “I need my team to win at any cost to make me feel better” camp. And this isn’t some issue of the kids can’t transfer after a coach leaves. That’s not what this is at all.
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I'm sorry. I will address your points to the best of my ability.

1. These are adult men who are allowed to vote, join the military, etc. These are not small children who need to be insulated from the real world, which is exactly what they are entering into.

2. I bring the political aspect into it because, in my experience, most people who are against NIL and the transfer rule are right-leaning. If we were talking about c-suite executives, the opinions would be different, but since it's sports/entertainment the idea of making all the money you want/can doesn't apply.

3. The hints of racism are valid. I'm not saying you're racist, certainly not intentionally. However, it's not a good look when the majority of college basketball and football players are African-American and folks expect them to work in exchange for room, board, and scholarship. They should get paid money just like any other college student with an additional full or part time job on top of their studies. The paternal "they need some guidance and structure" can also be construed as "I don't believe these young black men are smart enough to figure out life." Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I'm just pointing out how it MIGHT be construed.

4. I'm not saying the coaches are the bad guys. I'm saying they are paid, and paid handsomely, to win football games. That's the goal. A lot of coaches pay lip service to "molding young men," and some of them put their money where their mouth is. But all coaches know that if you don't win, you won't be employed for long.

5. Some guys transfer for better coaching, some transfer to be closer to home, some for more exposure, some for more playing time, and yes, many for more money. These are many of the same reasons a professional adult would change jobs or a normal student would transfer schools.

6. I will agree with you, and many others, that contracts need to come into play. It's ridiculous (though kind of funny) when a player takes a load of NIL money and then transfers without playing a single down. Again, this isn't crazy because it's how pretty much any professional endeavor works.

My final point, if you're the type of person who hates this because "it's becoming semi-pro/minor league"... I don't know what to tell you. That's how it is, for better and worse. Personally, it doesn't change much for me. I enjoy minor league baseball and basketball, and college football has been a feeder league for the pros for decades now, the money is just on the table instead of under it.

Let me know if there are other points that I missed.

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Re: Marshall Pulls Out

Unread post by appstatealum » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:07 am

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Thank you for this. Quit blaming the players for not wanting to play for a coach that didn’t recruit them. Marshall obviously doesn’t care about those players leaving or they would’ve extended the coach who just won the conference title.
How about they play for the love of the game? I played for some awful coaches and with some sorry teammates but I always played. What happens to these young men in real life when someone walks out or God forbid disappoints them?
How about those slaves pick some cotton for the love of 400 thread count sheets. I wish this was not happening to be honest but these players are not slaves or indentured servants, much to the chagrin of some fans of college football.
Extremely bad analogy. These guys were never forced to play football, it's a choice. Plus, they have always been compensated. I'm not saying they didn't deserve more, but that's a terrible analogy.
It was a strong analogy but not sure it was a bad analogy. If players can't walk away when they see fit it is best for themselves they are essentially indentured servants. Slaves were compensated with food and bare minimal shelter. It is not just the compensation or lack thereof, as coal miners and textile workers were paid with script but if they owed their soul to the company store they had essentially no freedom to leave their jobs. Sounds like some would like to see this very thing with college athletes.
There is still time to delete it, brother. Horrible analogy, not remotely relevant, and honestly makes you sound racist. Again, you can delete the post.
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Unread post by Bootsy » Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:01 am

Regardless of why kids transfer and how much money is involved. They still have to be coached and to win football games. Otherwise, the golden goose dies.

Imagine what’s going to happen in a year or two when boosters’ heads start exploding because they poured in a ton of money but their school isn’t winning championships.

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Bootsy wrote:
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Regardless of why kids transfer and how much money is involved. They still have to be coached and to win football games. Otherwise, the golden goose dies.

Imagine what’s going to happen in a year or two when boosters’ heads start exploding because they poured in a ton of money but their school isn’t winning championships.
Then the boosters will pay the players not to play.

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AppWyo wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:16 am
Bootsy wrote:
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Regardless of why kids transfer and how much money is involved. They still have to be coached and to win football games. Otherwise, the golden goose dies.

Imagine what’s going to happen in a year or two when boosters’ heads start exploding because they poured in a ton of money but their school isn’t winning championships.
Then the boosters will pay the players not to play.
Exactly. And outside of a handful of top schools, the whole thing will begin to fall apart.

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Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:17 pm

Think the portal as is, is great for players. Ask Penn States back up QB who just went into the portal while his team is in the 12 game playoff. This stinks, the young man had to chose between leaving his team while they are in the running for a national title or getting left out of QB portal bonanza. If the sit a year rule was still in place the young man could have finished the season with his team and then made the choice to transfer.

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Think the portal as is, is great for players. Ask Penn States back up QB who just went into the portal while his team is in the 12 game playoff. This stinks, the young man had to chose between leaving his team while they are in the running for a national title or getting left out of QB portal bonanza. If the sit a year rule was still in place the young man could have finished the season with his team and then made the choice to transfer.
He didn't have to choose today. He could have entered later and still be available to the team. Heck, he could have waited until after the game this Saturday and if PSU lost he could have entered. Or, he could have not been selfish and stayed on the team and entered in January or in the spring portal.

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t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:10 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
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Think the portal as is, is great for players. Ask Penn States back up QB who just went into the portal while his team is in the 12 game playoff. This stinks, the young man had to chose between leaving his team while they are in the running for a national title or getting left out of QB portal bonanza. If the sit a year rule was still in place the young man could have finished the season with his team and then made the choice to transfer.
He didn't have to choose today. He could have entered later and still be available to the team. Heck, he could have waited until after the game this Saturday and if PSU lost he could have entered. Or, he could have not been selfish and stayed on the team and entered in January or in the spring portal.
Everything you’re saying is correct. But based on what his coach said he felt like he would lose out if he waited. I’m just saying there has to be a better way. A way in which the portal doesn’t open until after the last game is played.

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I honestly hope this “new” football model is unsustainable and collapses. Marshall was supposed to represent the Sun Belt in that bowl game. So has the Belt suffered a financial loss? I would like to see the players who pulled out be sued. You want to be big boys and make a bunch of money, well here’s the other side of the coin. This is just one reason why the sit for a year rule was needed.
I agree -- 1-AA was the best, playoff football and home games, nothing better.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:45 am

t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:10 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:17 pm
Think the portal as is, is great for players. Ask Penn States back up QB who just went into the portal while his team is in the 12 game playoff. This stinks, the young man had to chose between leaving his team while they are in the running for a national title or getting left out of QB portal bonanza. If the sit a year rule was still in place the young man could have finished the season with his team and then made the choice to transfer.
He didn't have to choose today. He could have entered later and still be available to the team. Heck, he could have waited until after the game this Saturday and if PSU lost he could have entered. Or, he could have not been selfish and stayed on the team and entered in January or in the spring portal.
OR he could have stayed at Penn State and I'd imagine still make a good bit of money given their support.

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