Charlotte FB

[AppStFan1]

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

They had to get rid of it b/c cameras don't lie for rich teams like SMU...all the money in the world but no fan willing to sit in the stands and watch their games. Same goes for plenty of other teams

They average over 22,000 so they would be fine. If they are worried about them looking so bad then the ACC never should have invited them. I do think they will do like App and see a bump in moving up to a higher conference. I would expect SMU to average over 25,000 with their new schedule.

Those most affected would have been MAC and CUSA which would have lost several teams each along with Charlotte and a few couple Sun Belt schools that would have had to go.

Here is the list where you can sort for 2023, 2022, and a 5-year average: https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/

There is a row for capacity of stadium and App State is #1 averaging over 115% of capacity. 25 FBS schools average 100% or over on capacity.

SMU averages 22k in ticket sales. They do not have 22k butts in seats. Don't believe what you read, believe what you see...

I agree with your statement about CUSA and MAC schools.

Regarding KBS and our sales...I feel we are now in a position that Nebraska was in a few years ago. They had a record for consecutive home sellouts. The administration wanted to expand the stadium but weren't sure they could sellout the seats right away. They asked the fans and they came together and got the seats sold.

I agree with believe what you see but I am just saying what reported numbers are. Every schools pads the stats some these days with electronic tickets. With paper tickets it is impossible to fudge the numbers but when you have electronic tickets people who have just 3 show up but paid for 5 tickets will often have all 5 tickets swiped. I would be curious how many people do that to our games.

We could definitely add 10,000 or more seats and people would buy.

[RaleighApp27609]

True about their ticket sales. And I have no idea how many tickets they have to sale versus what was given to us but does 1500 sound correct? If they have 500 left over, as was mentioned, that is a lot of tickets percentage-wise. I know how Charlotte sells but even this surprised me.

Ironically, that might make them more attractive to play against UNC-CHeat as they are not bringing a crowd and getting in the way and not as much competition on the field. It will be interesting to see.

I'm not sure. They really should have stayed FCS and built the program into a power before moving up. They only average about 12,400 for home games. For a team coveted due to their TV market the fact they can't average 25,000 for home games is pretty bad. We average way more and we have often been overlooked for not being in a market.

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

[AppStFan1]

True about their ticket sales. And I have no idea how many tickets they have to sale versus what was given to us but does 1500 sound correct? If they have 500 left over, as was mentioned, that is a lot of tickets percentage-wise. I know how Charlotte sells but even this surprised me.

Ironically, that might make them more attractive to play against UNC-CHeat as they are not bringing a crowd and getting in the way and not as much competition on the field. It will be interesting to see.

I'm not sure. They really should have stayed FCS and built the program into a power before moving up. They only average about 12,400 for home games. For a team coveted due to their TV market the fact they can't average 25,000 for home games is pretty bad. We average way more and we have often been overlooked for not being in a market.

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

Agree on both. I would be willing to say 20,000 but you can stay if you hit 15,000 as long as you pay a fine each year for being under. Maybe set it at 2M or so. I do think at least 20 schools would have to drop down either way.

[AppWyo]

True about their ticket sales. And I have no idea how many tickets they have to sale versus what was given to us but does 1500 sound correct? If they have 500 left over, as was mentioned, that is a lot of tickets percentage-wise. I know how Charlotte sells but even this surprised me.

Ironically, that might make them more attractive to play against UNC-CHeat as they are not bringing a crowd and getting in the way and not as much competition on the field. It will be interesting to see.

I'm not sure. They really should have stayed FCS and built the program into a power before moving up. They only average about 12,400 for home games. For a team coveted due to their TV market the fact they can't average 25,000 for home games is pretty bad. We average way more and we have often been overlooked for not being in a market.

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

[ASU-FTW]

I'm not sure. They really should have stayed FCS
and built the program into a power before moving up. They only average about 12,400 for home games. For a team coveted due to their TV market the fact they can't average 25,000 for home games is pretty bad. We average way more and we have often been overlooked for not being in a market.

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

[wb247]

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

[AppWyo]

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

With more bowl games there are more chances for Appalachian to be in one. Besides the fact, regardless of how Notre Dame does in a season they need a bowl game in which to play.

The real reason that Notre Dame does not join a conference is that they do not want any regulations on how they get their players.

[RaleighApp27609]

I'm not sure. They really should have stayed FCS and built the program into a power before moving up. They only average about 12,400 for home games. For a team coveted due to their TV market the fact they can't average 25,000 for home games is pretty bad. We average way more and we have often been overlooked for not being in a market.

Isn't there a minimum required average home attendance to remain in FBS?

There use to be but the NCAA got rid of it in 2023. I was among those who thought we really needed to raise it but the NCAA did the wrong thing, as they often do, and got rid of it all together.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2 ... s-programs

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

Correct. What I was intending to say without stating it. I love bowl season as much as anyone else but I do think there are too many bowls. Fewer bowls would by default make the games mean a little more.

[311neers]

Definitely agree the average home attendance needs to have a minimum and frankly be higher than what it was previously. I would say at least 20,000 in my opinion. While we're at it I also think the minimum number of games to qualify for a bowl game should be at least 7, maybe 8.

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

With more bowl games there are more chances for Appalachian to be in one. Besides the fact, regardless of how Notre Dame does in a season they need a bowl game in which to play.

The real reason that Notre Dame does not join a conference is that they do not want any regulations on how they get their players.

And they’re scared to join a good conference that comes with a title game, which is another opportunity for a loss.

[AppSt94]

If you had to win seven or eight games to qualify for a bowl game, then you would not have enough teams to play in all of the bowl games that we have today.

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

With more bowl games there are more chances for Appalachian to be in one. Besides the fact, regardless of how Notre Dame does in a season they need a bowl game in which to play.

The real reason that Notre Dame does not join a conference is that they do not want any regulations on how they get their players.

And they’re scared to join a good conference that comes with a title game, which is another opportunity for a loss.

Why should they want to join a conference for football? Their model works with limited interference.

[311neers]

That's part of the point. Too many bowl games

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

With more bowl games there are more chances for Appalachian to be in one. Besides the fact, regardless of how Notre Dame does in a season they need a bowl game in which to play.

The real reason that Notre Dame does not join a conference is that they do not want any regulations on how they get their players.

And they’re scared to join a good conference that comes with a title game, which is another opportunity for a loss.

Why should they want to join a conference for football? Their model works with limited interference.

See above the reasons laid out. Their model might “work” but they haven’t won crap the past 20 years.

[AppSt94]

I think a school should have to go .500 in conference for eligibility.

With more bowl games there are more chances for Appalachian to be in one. Besides the fact, regardless of how Notre Dame does in a season they need a bowl game in which to play.

The real reason that Notre Dame does not join a conference is that they do not want any regulations on how they get their players.

And they’re scared to join a good conference that comes with a title game, which is another opportunity for a loss.

Why should they want to join a conference for football? Their model works with limited interference.

See above the reasons laid out. Their model might “work” but they haven’t won crap the past 20 years.

Can’t you say that for pretty much anyone outside of Alabama, Ohio St., and Georgia?

[T-Dog]

https://x.com/BobbyRosinski/status/1828 ... O4vhA&s=19

Ooof

[t4pizza]

8-9 starters out for the first game, that's insane.

[Black Saturday]

Last i saw was JMU by 6.5?

[biggie]

Last i saw was JMU by 6.5?

I see 8.5 now.

[Black Saturday]

If JMU was all that, they'd be -21, although they are ranked ahead of APP in a recent playoff projection