EZU and Ruffin

[EastHallApp]

I wouldn't say it began when they fired him - that was just one year ago, after they went 5-7. But it certainly got worse this year. I have wondered the same thing about them joining the AAC. I'm not sure yet if they can't handle the competition or if, more likely, they just picked a bad time for their program to go in the tank.

I hope the heck we don't fire Satterfield in the unlikely event we happen to go 5-7 one year. But you never know. Heck we fired Houston Fancher when he was pretty successful and haven't recovered yet in hoops, save the one year Buzz Peterson took us to the dance with Houston's recruits.

Fancher was one game over .500 in his career at App and never even played for a SoCon championship. While that is the best we've had in a while, I certainly hope no one would call that pretty successful.

You answered your own premise when you said it was the best in quite a while. I mean no disrespect when I say "have we been .500 under the Jason Capel and Coach Fox era?" I mean geez, there are several on here who are already saying the benediction on Coach Fox. I personally think Fox deserves at least 3 more years..no less..considering what he inherited.

He was being generous. Fancher was less successful than the coach who preceded him and, arguably, the one who immediately followed him (who happened to be the same guy).

Unless you're ready to close the book on Fox (and I'm not), the only coach we've had in the past two decades who was worse than Fancher was Capel.

[EastHallApp]

I wouldn't say it began when they fired him - that was just one year ago, after they went 5-7. But it certainly got worse this year. I have wondered the same thing about them joining the AAC. I'm not sure yet if they can't handle the competition or if, more likely, they just picked a bad time for their program to go in the tank.

I hope the heck we don't fire Satterfield in the unlikely event we happen to go 5-7 one year. But you never know. Heck we fired Houston Fancher when he was pretty successful and haven't recovered yet in hoops, save the one year Buzz Peterson took us to the dance with Houston's recruits.

Fancher was one game over .500 in his career at App and never even played for a SoCon championship. While that is the best we've had in a while, I certainly hope no one would call that pretty successful.

My guess is the people who consider Fancher successful are the ones who only really care about football and are fine with basketball being mediocre.

Until the athletic department and administration put as much emphasis and funding on basketball as they do football we are going to continue to be mediocre for the most part.

Fancher inherited a brand spanking new arena and a program coming off three straight 20-win seasons and an NCAA Tournament appearance.

[NewApp]

I wouldn't say it began when they fired him - that was just one year ago, after they went 5-7. But it certainly got worse this year. I have wondered the same thing about them joining the AAC. I'm not sure yet if they can't handle the competition or if, more likely, they just picked a bad time for their program to go in the tank.

I hope the heck we don't fire Satterfield in the unlikely event we happen to go 5-7 one year. But you never know. Heck we fired Houston Fancher when he was pretty successful and haven't recovered yet in hoops, save the one year Buzz Peterson took us to the dance with Houston's recruits.

Fancher was one game over .500 in his career at App and never even played for a SoCon championship. While that is the best we've had in a while, I certainly hope no one would call that pretty successful.

You answered your own premise when you said it was the best in quite a while. I mean no disrespect when I say "have we been .500 under the Jason Capel and Coach Fox era?" I mean geez, there are several on here who are already saying the benediction on Coach Fox. I personally think Fox deserves at least 3 more years..no less..considering what he inherited.

My premise is that one game over .500 is not pretty successful even if it is the best we've had. That just means we've been bad.

What was HF's best year during his term? IMOP, he was too young for the position to start with. We don't need OJT coaches like Capel was. Capel may yet make a decent head coach at some level, HS, college, AAU. etc.

[NewApp]

I hope the heck we don't fire Satterfield in the unlikely event we happen to go 5-7 one year. But you never know. Heck we fired Houston Fancher when he was pretty successful and haven't recovered yet in hoops, save the one year Buzz Peterson took us to the dance with Houston's recruits.

Fancher was one game over .500 in his career at App and never even played for a SoCon championship. While that is the best we've had in a while, I certainly hope no one would call that pretty successful.

My guess is the people who consider Fancher successful are the ones who only really care about football and are fine with basketball being mediocre.

Until the athletic department and administration put as much emphasis and funding on basketball as they do football we are going to continue to be mediocre for the most part.

Fancher inherited a brand spanking new arena and a program coming off three straight 20-win seasons and an NCAA Tournament appearance.

Yep, and we let Buzz get away and his name is profane on here to this day. Of course he actually had no intention of staying here long in either of his stints. Betcha, he (but not his wife) wishes he had stayed. What's he doing now, selling used cars or something?

[AppinVA]

Fancher inherited a new arena, yes, but the team was a shell of itself after Rufus died and two players were dismissed due to off-court mishaps.

[NewApp]

Fancher inherited a new arena, yes, but the team was a shell of itself after Rufus died and two players were dismissed due to off-court mishaps.

I had forgotten that (along with a myriad of other stuff) RichmondApp.

[CVAPP]

Yep, and we let Buzz get away and his name is profane on here to this day. Of course he actually had no intention of staying here long in either of his stints. Betcha, he (but not his wife) wishes he had stayed. What's he doing now, selling used cars or something?

This was recently addressed in another thread. He is back on MJ's payroll as Senior Advisor of Basketball Operations.

http://www.nba.com/hornets/hse-staff-directory

[MtnMan09]

14 posts on App basketball on a ECU football thread. Its the Inception of threads. Interesting turn of events gentlemen.

[NewApp]

Yep, and we let Buzz get away and his name is profane on here to this day. Of course he actually had no intention of staying here long in either of his stints. Betcha, he (but not his wife) wishes he had stayed. What's he doing now, selling used cars or something?

This was recently addressed in another thread. He is back on MJ's payroll as Senior Advisor of Basketball Operations.

http://www.nba.com/hornets/hse-staff-directory

Should have stayed there to start with.

[NewApp]

14 posts on App basketball on a ECU football thread. Its the Inception of threads. Interesting turn of events gentlemen.

Perhaps it means we'll be rivals in hoops, too.

[EastHallApp]

14 posts on App basketball on a ECU football thread. Its the Inception of threads. Interesting turn of events gentlemen.

Perhaps it means we'll be rivals in hoops, too.

Ah yes, the heated "Battle for 15th Place in the State of North Carolina" series.

[NewApp]

14 posts on App basketball on a ECU football thread. Its the Inception of threads. Interesting turn of events gentlemen.

Perhaps it means we'll be rivals in hoops, too.

Ah yes, the heated "Battle for 15th Place in the State of North Carolina" series.

Yep, but at least we will have a rival with someone with whom we can compete. H3LL, we can't even compete with the Cullowhee boys now. The Pirates and us put about the same amount of emphasis on basketball. You only get back what you put in in most cases. That's what we are getting now.

[appbio91]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

[NewApp]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

I don't really know much about ECU athletics anymore, just what I hear from two relatively high level boosters at my civic club on Tuesdays. They were all gung ho when Ruffin was hired, then wanted him fired, all excited when the new guy was hired, then now want him fired. They think they are destined to run the table every year and compete in a major bowl.

[MtnMan09]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

I don't really know much about ECU athletics anymore, just what I hear from two relatively high level boosters at my civic club on Tuesdays. They were all gung ho when Ruffin was hired, then wanted him fired, all excited when the new guy was hired, then now want him fired. They think they are destined to run the table every year and compete in a major bowl.

If we regularly beat ACC and often beat SEC teams we'd probably have that expectation too. I don't fault them for that. Think about how frustrated you would be if you could knock off Va Tech year in and year out but not close a gimme game against UCF down the stretch. This board would be on fire. I can understand, and even sympathize, with their national delusion. Far more than I ever can with the "but we had Phillip Rivers" crowd at State College.

[EastHallApp]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

I don't really know much about ECU athletics anymore, just what I hear from two relatively high level boosters at my civic club on Tuesdays. They were all gung ho when Ruffin was hired, then wanted him fired, all excited when the new guy was hired, then now want him fired. They think they are destined to run the table every year and compete in a major bowl.

If we regularly beat ACC and often beat SEC teams we'd probably have that expectation too. I don't fault them for that. Think about how frustrated you would be if you could knock off Va Tech year in and year out but not close a gimme game against UCF down the stretch. This board would be on fire. I can understand, and even sympathize, with their national delusion. Far more than I ever can with the "but we had Phillip Rivers" crowd at State College.

ECU has at least five losses in 15 of the past 16 seasons. They have not finished a season in the top 25 since 1991. And they haven't beaten an SEC team since 1999. Just because they occasionally pick off an ACC team in a down year, that doesn't make them nationally relevant, as they quickly found out the hard way from the Big 12.

[MtnMan09]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

I don't really know much about ECU athletics anymore, just what I hear from two relatively high level boosters at my civic club on Tuesdays. They were all gung ho when Ruffin was hired, then wanted him fired, all excited when the new guy was hired, then now want him fired. They think they are destined to run the table every year and compete in a major bowl.

If we regularly beat ACC and often beat SEC teams we'd probably have that expectation too. I don't fault them for that. Think about how frustrated you would be if you could knock off Va Tech year in and year out but not close a gimme game against UCF down the stretch. This board would be on fire. I can understand, and even sympathize, with their national delusion. Far more than I ever can with the "but we had Phillip Rivers" crowd at State College.

ECU has at least five losses in 15 of the past 16 seasons. They have not finished a season in the top 25 since 1991. And they haven't beaten an SEC team since 1999. Just because they occasionally pick off an ACC team in a down year, that doesn't make them nationally relevant, as they quickly found out the hard way from the Big 12.

I'm not saying it actually makes them nationally relevant. I'm saying because they have the capability, and have in fact beaten and hung close with p5 teams, that they feel that they should run the table in the AAC and make a good bowl game. I think that's understandable. We have people on this board that think we should be ranked and in better bowls when we don't even beat P5s which is arguably more delusional. All I was saying.

[Black Saturday]

Agree 100% MtnMan09. Nobody outside the P5 will let be nationally relevant by the cartel.

"I'm not saying it actually makes them nationally relevant. I'm saying because they have the capability, and have in fact beaten and hung close with p5 teams, that they feel that they should run the table in the AAC and make a good bowl game. I think that's understandable. We have people on this board that think we should be ranked and in better bowls when we don't even beat P5s which is arguably more delusional. All I was saying."

[NewApp]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the move to the AAC. Outside of UCONN, Temple and Navy, it's essentially a redux of former CUSA teams that ECU has competed against in the past. I'd probably point to the fact that they've had 5 new programs move up to FBS within their footprint over the past few years. With the extra scholarships being offered from the new programs that takes an additional 50 players away from the pool that ECU had access to since they were one of the only G5 programs in the area.

This makes sense to me. We have signed some ECU offers right?

I don't really know much about ECU athletics anymore, just what I hear from two relatively high level boosters at my civic club on Tuesdays. They were all gung ho when Ruffin was hired, then wanted him fired, all excited when the new guy was hired, then now want him fired. They think they are destined to run the table every year and compete in a major bowl.

If we regularly beat ACC and often beat SEC teams we'd probably have that expectation too. I don't fault them for that. Think about how frustrated you would be if you could knock off Va Tech year in and year out but not close a gimme game against UCF down the stretch. This board would be on fire. I can understand, and even sympathize, with their national delusion. Far more than I ever can with the "but we had Phillip Rivers" crowd at State College.

ECU has at least five losses in 15 of the past 16 seasons. They have not finished a season in the top 25 since 1991. And they haven't beaten an SEC team since 1999. Just because they occasionally pick off an ACC team in a down year, that doesn't make them nationally relevant, as they quickly found out the hard way from the Big 12.

Thank you.