PAC-12 melt down

[Appst86]

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[BambooRdApp]

I am curious what folks on YC think SBC should do. Chips are going to fall with even more realignment. It is a possibility that ACC is next...and down to P3..

Personally, I would like to see SBC add fours teams..two to East and two to west...so each side does not play each other until championship game...

[goapps]

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“There are no gentlemen in college sports,” said an official in the Big 12. “There is no honor in college sports."
Honor is likely to be a rare commodity anywhere there are millions of dollars at stake.

[311neers]

Now we are P5!!!

[AppSt94]

I am curious what folks on YC think SBC should do. Chips are going to fall with even more realignment. It is a possibility that ACC is next...and down to P3..

Personally, I would like to see SBC add fours teams..two to East and two to west...so each side does not play each other until championship game...

I don’t think that there is anything to do at this time in regards to the SBC.

I don’t see the ACC going away. They are pretty stable despite what FSU is saying. The GOR is pretty solid and to break it is going to cost a team upwards of $400 million. The only way to bust out free and clean is if 7 schools decide to leave at once nullifying the deal. I don’t see 7 seats left at the table of the BIG10 or SEC combined and bolting for the Big12 is a lateral move with no extra money so what’s the difference.

The way I see it, IF there were intentions to get to 20 teams, the BIG10 goes after either UNC,UVA, Georgia Tech, Miami in that order to fill those 2 spots.

The SEC would rather have UNC and UVA over anyone else. The only other attractive school would be NC State because it increases their footprint. Everyone else is an add to add and while it raises the public profile, it doesn’t necessarily raise more money. They don’t need FSU or Miami (Florida), or Clemson (SC) or Ga Tech (Georgia) or even Louisville (Kentucky).

Here where the battle gets interesting. The BIg10 covets ND. Yes, ND covets being an independent. But there is a clause in the contract with ND and the ACC that states of ND decides forego independence in football, they are bound to join the ACC. Yes, contracts can be broken and I’m sure it isn’t as ironclad as the GOR, but ESPN has a vested interest in keeping the ACC alive, because if it goes away, they lose out on having ND potentially under their umbrella versus Fox.

[Yosef84]

ND is an interesting piece to this puzzle. They love their indy status and have been able to dictate their price, but it does seem those days might be in their rear view mirror. If this consolidation continues, I don't see ND being able to continue to dictate terms and they could find themselves on the outside looking in. Just my thinking, but I think they'll have to choose a conference. I can't The Big 10 just seems like so much better fit, but as 94 pointed out, there is a contract with the ACC.

I wonder if the collapse of the Pac 12 adds some security for the ACC. It seems the Big 12 and Big 10 are no longer needing to do wholesale raiding to keep up, so the talk about all those schools combining to challenge the GOR might nor pan out.

Just a question...with all the adds to the SEC, are there any members who are wanting to exit?

[fjblair]

Here's a scathing take..

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/04/p ... -expansion

[AppSt94]

ND is an interesting piece to this puzzle. They love their indy status and have been able to dictate their price, but it does seem those days might be in their rear view mirror. If this consolidation continues, I don't see ND being able to continue to dictate terms and they could find themselves on the outside looking in. Just my thinking, but I think they'll have to choose a conference. I can't The Big 10 just seems like so much better fit, but as 94 pointed out, there is a contract with the ACC.

I wonder if the collapse of the Pac 12 adds some security for the ACC. It seems the Big 12 and Big 10 are no longer needing to do wholesale raiding to keep up, so the talk about all those schools combining to challenge the GOR might nor pan out.

Just a question...with all the adds to the SEC, are there any members who are wanting to exit?

I don’t think that is the right question to ask. Why would anyone want to leave that cash cow? I think the real question is are there member, or future member, that wish some schools would choose to leave? Looking at you Texas.

I don’t think ND is any danger of having to give up independence yet. They get $11 million from the ACC and they are looking to get about $60 to $70 million in their next contract and I think they get it because that’s a bargain in todays world especially given their brand.

They like to the freedom to schedule and I don’t think that they want to give that up. Could Fox and the Big 10 squeeze them a little by making the annual game with USC go away? Perhaps. Would ESPN throw them some money to keep them off Fox. Perhaps. The contract is up in 2025 so we shall see.

[Saint3333]

Does ND have any playoff rights like they used to?

PAC12 options:

- Cal and Stanford go Indy, XSUs join MWC
- PAC4 recruit the best of MWC and AAC west teams

The ACC needs to go on offense, but their options are very limited as you can’t cherry two-four BIG12 teams enough to cripple them while adding value.

If FSU acts irrationally against GOR look out.

[AppSt94]

Does ND have any playoff rights like they used to?

PAC12 options:

- Cal and Stanford go Indy, XSUs join MWC
- PAC4 recruit the best of MWC and AAC west teams

The ACC needs to go on offense, but their options are very limited as you can’t cherry two-four BIG12 teams enough to cripple them while adding value.

If FSU acts irrationally against GOR look out.

Does ND have any playoff rights like they used to? They do currently. That is one of the factors that could affect their decision to join a conference.

PAC12 options:

- Cal and Stanford go Indy, XSUs join MWC. Seems the most likely scenario.
- PAC4 recruit the best of MWC and AAC west teams.The $34 million exit fee to leave the MWC is not going to make that viable. Plus, there is no tangible reason to leave for a conference that has no media deal and if they obtain one, it won’t be anymore than a lateral move, with a $34 million loss.

The ACC needs to go on offense, but their options are very limited as you can’t cherry two-four BIG12 teams enough to cripple them while adding value. The ACC hold the Ace in hand. The only valuable commodity left is ND and they own their rights to conference affiliation.

If FSU acts irrationally against GOR look out. FSU has no play and they know it.

[appdaze]

Eff them all. Just detach athletics programs from the schools and form a NFL minor league and be done with it. They can still call it college football. Schools can still "sponsor" a team with their logo and name usage getting a cut of profits. Let's just move on from all this and be done. These realignments are just getting absurd. Rutgers flying to Oregon? Good grief.

[spacemonkey]

Here's a scathing take..

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/04/p ... -expansion

Well Written...So sad....So true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spacemonkey]

I hope this is how it ends for playoffs. 1st round byes for top 8 and the G4 play a playoff for 1 spot in the CFP. It is going to get old being the g5 rep and getting Alabama/Georgia every year.

The AAC and the Sunbelt or the MWC need to make a scheduling agreement to start a week early and have a championship game to make the CFP. We g3 could make some money from it.

[AppSt94]

I hope this is how it ends for playoffs. 1st round byes for top 8 and the G4 play a playoff for 1 spot in the CFP. It is going to get old being the g5 rep and getting Alabama/Georgia every year.

The AAC and the Sunbelt or the MWC need to make a scheduling agreement to start a week early and have a championship game to make the CFP. We g3 could make some money from it.

Is that even possible.

[hapapp]

The first two years of the playoff give autos to the top 6 conference champions. It would seem that with the death of the PAC 12, assuming they don't find a way to survive, that two G5 conference champs will make the playoffs.

[appdaze]

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

The first two years of the playoff give autos to the top 6 conference champions. It would seem that with the death of the PAC 12, assuming they don't find a way to survive, that two G5 conference champs will make the playoffs.

Don't worry, those rules will change and keep the G5 out except for one team at best.

[hapapp]

The first two years of the playoff give autos to the top 6 conference champions. It would seem that with the death of the PAC 12, assuming they don't find a way to survive, that two G5 conference champs will make the playoffs.

Don't worry, those rules will change and keep the G5 out except for one team at best.

Perhaps but there is a contract. I’m sure it will change after 2025.

[VNova]

Eff them all. Just detach athletics programs from the schools and form a NFL minor league and be done with it. They can still call it college football. Schools can still "sponsor" a team with their logo and name usage getting a cut of profits. Let's just move on from all this and be done. These realignments are just getting absurd. Rutgers flying to Oregon? Good grief.

Rutgers has been playing football since 1869, 25 years before Oregon. They have never played.

[Saint3333]

This could be the beginning of the big break. In the next 3-4 years we’re going to have an expensive decision to make.