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Pro Day 2023

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:21 am

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Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:17 am
Disclaimer- I have never played, coached or worked in any capacity with a football team. I have, however yelled from my chair on numerous times in my life and have never been listened to or consulted based on my knowledge. That being said I've never quite understood the importance of the 40 or vertical jump for positions like linemen. I will have to defer to the experts who obviously believe those are important factors. I saw the clip on Facebook yesterday with the interviews with the former players who were at the Pro Day. I've got to say that for what it's worth Pearson looked like a beast. He's obviously a weight room animal. The tight end has always been probably my favorite position to watch. Greg Olsen was one of my favorite Panthers and for years I screamed for App to utilize that position more often. Who knows how or if any of those guys will get a shot but my gut tells me Pearson might surprise.
Teams value the 40 because that’s about how far you run on special teams. They value the 10 and 20 more for linemen. There are occasions I can show you where we had linemen running down field and so they had to show long speed but it is rare.

Pearson will definitely get a chance.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStateNews » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:55 am

bigdaddyg wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:17 am
Disclaimer- I have never played, coached or worked in any capacity with a football team. I have, however yelled from my chair on numerous times in my life and have never been listened to or consulted based on my knowledge. That being said I've never quite understood the importance of the 40 or vertical jump for positions like linemen. I will have to defer to the experts who obviously believe those are important factors. I saw the clip on Facebook yesterday with the interviews with the former players who were at the Pro Day. I've got to say that for what it's worth Pearson looked like a beast. He's obviously a weight room animal. The tight end has always been probably my favorite position to watch. Greg Olsen was one of my favorite Panthers and for years I screamed for App to utilize that position more often. Who knows how or if any of those guys will get a shot but my gut tells me Pearson might surprise.
40 for linemen is very important to be able to show they can get to the next level at the next level -- especially for linemen coming from a zone scheme.

Very for linemen shows explosion and power in the legs, hips, and core. All things needed to be a good lineman.
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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:06 am

Seems the 20 yard shuttle and/or three cone drills would be a better measure for lineman than the 40.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:06 am

Lots of talent there yesterday!

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:08 am

AppStateNews wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:55 am
bigdaddyg wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:17 am
Disclaimer- I have never played, coached or worked in any capacity with a football team. I have, however yelled from my chair on numerous times in my life and have never been listened to or consulted based on my knowledge. That being said I've never quite understood the importance of the 40 or vertical jump for positions like linemen. I will have to defer to the experts who obviously believe those are important factors. I saw the clip on Facebook yesterday with the interviews with the former players who were at the Pro Day. I've got to say that for what it's worth Pearson looked like a beast. He's obviously a weight room animal. The tight end has always been probably my favorite position to watch. Greg Olsen was one of my favorite Panthers and for years I screamed for App to utilize that position more often. Who knows how or if any of those guys will get a shot but my gut tells me Pearson might surprise.
40 for linemen is very important to be able to show they can get to the next level at the next level -- especially for linemen coming from a zone scheme.

Very for linemen shows explosion and power in the legs, hips, and core. All things needed to be a good lineman.
I had a pro veteran evaluator tell me it was purely for special teams because that’s how far they run on punt and kickoff usually. The league is actually talking about getting rid of the 40 for linemen at combine. They gave the 10 yard times this year to get people use to it.

I think the 10 and 20 is more indicative of distance in zone blocking. I hope they don’t get rid of 40 for them though. It shows if they have a second gear and I still think it’s good to know it even if it’s rarely used in games by them.

The shuttle and 3 cone are ideal for climbing to second level or getting out in space eval along with 10.
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Re: Pro Day 2023

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Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:06 am
Seems the 20 yard shuttle and/or three cone drills would be a better measure for lineman than the 40.
They are indeed. When it comes to lineman I always thought the 10, broad jump, shuttle, 3 cone and bench are beat indicators.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm

27 NFL teams in attendance. Is that the most ever for an App Pro Day? Very impressive regardless.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by T-Dog » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:28 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm
27 NFL teams in attendance. Is that the most ever for an App Pro Day? Very impressive regardless.
Looks like it, at least in recent memory.

2022 - 26
2021 - 18
No Pro Day in 2020
2019 - 23
2018 - 14
2017 -22
2016 - 21
2015 - "a number of teams"
2014 - 14
2013 - 20
2012 - 26
2011 - 6
2010 - 10

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:29 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm
27 NFL teams in attendance. Is that the most ever for an App Pro Day? Very impressive regardless.
I don't know but I would think so. Usually scouts show up in high numbers for top 2 round talent in general, elite QBs, and combine snubs they have heavy interest in. I wonder what we would have had in 2020 since they both went in top 4 rounds but were at the combine and we did not have a major combine snub. We had Quick go high in 2012 and I bet we had a lot of NFL traffic that year.

Our record for draft picks in a year was 2011 but I don't think we had the record then. They all tested in Indy. We got 4 with a shot to get drafted but we need to see visits and private workouts because that can be an indicator unless they have off field issues.
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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:31 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:28 pm
AtlAppMan wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm
27 NFL teams in attendance. Is that the most ever for an App Pro Day? Very impressive regardless.
Looks like it, at least in recent memory.

2022 - 26
2021 - 18
No Pro Day in 2020
2019 - 23
2018 - 14
2017 -22
2016 - 21
2015 - "a number of teams"
2014 - 14
2013 - 20
2012 - 26
2011 - 6
2010 - 10
Replied to question above before season this and did not know for sure because I could not remember our numbers. I was thinking the year we had Quick that would be the record because he was rated so high.

I am surprised we had just 6 teams in 2011 when we had 3 drafted. You sure that number is right? I know we would not have had over 25 because they all tested at the combine but I figured they would have attracted more than 15 at least.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by T-Dog » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:13 pm

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Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:31 pm
I am surprised we had just 6 teams in 2011 when we had 3 drafted. You sure that number is right? I know we would not have had over 25 because they all tested at the combine but I figured they would have attracted more than 15 at least.
I'm going by the athletics report.

https://appstatesports.com/news/2011/3/ ... 18614.aspx

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:34 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:13 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:31 pm
I am surprised we had just 6 teams in 2011 when we had 3 drafted. You sure that number is right? I know we would not have had over 25 because they all tested at the combine but I figured they would have attracted more than 15 at least.
I'm going by the athletics report.

https://appstatesports.com/news/2011/3/ ... 18614.aspx
I know we didn’t really have any combine snubs with draft interest that year but you would think having 3 draft picks would attract more than just 6 teams. Thank you for posting the article. It has been a while and I usually don’t save our attendance numbers for those. This should be our best rookie class ever in terms of how many play pro ball somewhere.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:37 am

Question about the bench press reps in the above stats....it appears they are using 225 lbs. Is that correct? Seems that I've read that some use 225 lbs and some use 185 lbs. Can someone explain how they determine that? I would think by position, but am I remembering this correctly?

Edit: OK...was just reading about the combine and it says nothing about 185 lbs, so I don't know where I got that in my head. apologies.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:31 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:37 am
Question about the bench press reps in the above stats....it appears they are using 225 lbs. Is that correct? Seems that I've read that some use 225 lbs and some use 185 lbs. Can someone explain how they determine that? I would think by position, but am I remembering this correctly?

Edit: OK...was just reading about the combine and it says nothing about 185 lbs, so I don't know where I got that in my head. apologies.
I think in high school I have seen 185 used so maybe that is where you got it from. NFL has always used 225 for the bench that I can remember

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Re: Pro Day 2023

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AppStFan1 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:31 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:37 am
Question about the bench press reps in the above stats....it appears they are using 225 lbs. Is that correct? Seems that I've read that some use 225 lbs and some use 185 lbs. Can someone explain how they determine that? I would think by position, but am I remembering this correctly?

Edit: OK...was just reading about the combine and it says nothing about 185 lbs, so I don't know where I got that in my head. apologies.
I think in high school I have seen 185 used so maybe that is where you got it from. NFL has always used 225 for the bench that I can remember
Maybe that's it. 185 certain seems too low to be a meaningful measure for the NFL.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:10 pm

Full official pro day results are in for App State and here they are:

The Panthers typed up the results sent to all 32 NFL teams. Pro day was held in FI1 conditions on March 30th.

Brice, William "Chase"- 6023, 236, 27 VJ, 9'1 BJ, 4.52 shuttle, 9 5/8 hand, 30 3/4 arm, 76 1/2 wing

Cobb, Dontrevious "Trey"- 6012, 221, 5.00 an 5.01 40, 2.81 and 2.82 20, 1.81 and 1.82 10, 27.5 VJ, 9'6 BJ, 4.68 shuttle, 7.89 3-cone, 9 1/2 hand, 32 arm, 80 1/4 wing.

Hampton, Nicholas "Nick"- 6023, 239, 9 1/2 hand, 33 arm, 81 wing. No bench by choice. Said his pecks were tight. Claimed turf toe so no shuttles.

Hardy, Anderson "Andy"- 6055, 301, 4.97 40, 2.76 20, 1.81 10, 31.5 VJ, 9'2 BJ, 4.66 shuttle, 7.72 3-cone, 10 3/8 hand, 32 arm, 77 wing, and 30 bench reps. He only did one 40 by choice.

Harrington, Daetrich- 5117, 198, 4.61 and 4.69 40, 2.64 and 2.72 20, 1.70 and 1.76 10, 31 VJ, 10'0 BJ, 4.69 shuttle, 7.82 3-cone, 8 3/4 hand, 30 1/4 arm, 71 5/8 wing, 22 bench reps.

Hodges, Cooper- 6035, 304, 5.10 and 5.12 40, 2.88 and 2.89 20, 1.90 10 twice, 29 VJ, 9'0 BJ, 4.71 shuttle, 7.90 3-cone, 9 hand, 33 arm, 81 wing, and 29 bench reps.

Jones, Steven- 5097, 188, 4.50 and 4.51 40, 2.44 and 2.47 20, 1.63 and 1.66 10, 35 VJ, 10'4 BJ, 4.38 shuttle, 7.51 3-cone, 7 3/4 hand, 30 arm, 72 3/4 wing, and 14 bench reps.

Lawson, Dexter- 5092, 184, 4.72 and 4.63 40, 2.59 and 2.56 20, 1.72 and 1.67 10, 34.5 VJ, 10'3 BJ, 4.21 shuttle, 7.02 3-cone, 8 3/8 hand, 30 arm, 72 1/2 wing, and 17 bench reps.

Pearson, Henry- 6023, 249, 4.81 and 4.79 40, 2.78 and 2.69 20, 1.76 and 1.77 10, 31 VJ, 10'0 BJ, 4.50 shuttle, 7.51 3-cone, 10 hand, 31 1/2 arm, 76 7/8 wing, 30 bench reps.

Peoples, Camerun "Cam"- 6015, 216, 4.56 shuttle, 7.57 3-cone, 9 3/8 hand, 32 arm, 78 1/8 wing, 19 bench reps. Kept other combine numbers. I think he should have run the 40. He could have improved it in my opinion.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by ASU3432Mi » Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:10 am

Did Chase make a USFL roster? I thought he was drafted in 1st round.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:25 am

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Did Chase make a USFL roster? I thought he was drafted in 1st round.
I don't think he signed. He is waiting for his NFL shot. He should be a priority free agent signing pretty quickly after the draft.

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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by AppStateNews » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:04 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
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Mon Apr 17, 2023 11:10 am
Did Chase make a USFL roster? I thought he was drafted in 1st round.
I don't think he signed. He is waiting for his NFL shot. He should be a priority free agent signing pretty quickly after the draft.
Yup. Both he and Hardy are going to give the NFL a shot. If it doesn't work, they have USFL as a backup. They're in a good position.
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Re: Pro Day 2023

Unread post by ArmantiWaterSafety » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:06 pm

Yosef84 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:44 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:31 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:37 am
Question about the bench press reps in the above stats....it appears they are using 225 lbs. Is that correct? Seems that I've read that some use 225 lbs and some use 185 lbs. Can someone explain how they determine that? I would think by position, but am I remembering this correctly?

Edit: OK...was just reading about the combine and it says nothing about 185 lbs, so I don't know where I got that in my head. apologies.
I think in high school I have seen 185 used so maybe that is where you got it from. NFL has always used 225 for the bench that I can remember
Maybe that's it. 185 certain seems too low to be a meaningful measure for the NFL.
Maybe you got it from the NBA, they use 185

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