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[appdaze]

I hope we can develop more nfl talent in the next couple years. Once Martin and Lamm hang it up we will be down to 6 current players and im not sure how long some of them will last.

[AppStFan1]

I hope we can develop more nfl talent in the next couple years. Once Martin and Lamm hang it up we will be down to 6 current players and im not sure how long some of them will last.

Between the portal and slacking some in recruiting we have seen the talent dip. I agree with you that we need to have some more NFL talent. Being down in the single digits is bad for a program like ours.

[AppSt94]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

[EastHallApp]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I don't think the total number is so bad, but it would have been nice to produce at least a couple bigger contributors over the course of our run of success. Plenty of programs that have won less than us have done so.

[AppStFan1]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I, nor anyone else, has said we should be. All I was saying is that we are far below where we were and it is sad to see our numbers cut in half of what they should be. We should have a good enough draft class yearly to have 5+ get a shot and average 2-3 a year making a team.

Last year we had 13 make opening day rosters and were #1 in the Sun Belt. Let's see where we stand when those numbers come out in the next few days.

[AppSt94]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I don't think the total number is so bad, but it would have been nice to produce at least a couple bigger contributors over the course of our run of success. Plenty of programs that have won less than us have done so.

Sure, but define contributor? I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong nor am I arguing with you, but most of our guys that have managed to stick around are guys that play positions that don’t get a lot of attention. OL, Punter and LBs. They contribute, but they aren’t guys that receiver notoriety at the next level.

[AppStFan1]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I don't think the total number is so bad, but it would have been nice to produce at least a couple bigger contributors over the course of our run of success. Plenty of programs that have won less than us have done so.

Sure, but define contributor? I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong nor am I arguing with you, but most of our guys that have managed to stick around are guys that play positions that don’t get a lot of attention. OL, Punter and LBs. They contribute, but they aren’t guys that receiver notoriety at the next level.

I think you just defined what he meant by it. Just because someone does not get a lot of attention does not mean they don't contribute. You are reading a little too much into what he said. We all know a contributor is a player who make the team and give something or adds to the team either in a starter, backup, or role player type of role either on offense, defense, or special teams. We are never going to have a couple dozen Pro Bowlers

[EastHallApp]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I don't think the total number is so bad, but it would have been nice to produce at least a couple bigger contributors over the course of our run of success. Plenty of programs that have won less than us have done so.

Sure, but define contributor? I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong nor am I arguing with you, but most of our guys that have managed to stick around are guys that play positions that don’t get a lot of attention. OL, Punter and LBs. They contribute, but they aren’t guys that receiver notoriety at the next level.

You said you aren't arguing with me, but it kind of sounds like you are.

[BambooRdApp]

I feel like if you have made the 53 man roster, you are a "contributor"to the success of the team. From a "potential number of times the announcers say your name perspective", we do not have many, if any, n the NFL at the moment (a starter).
For me, the trenches win games and those guys are not mentioned very often by name at the rate as skill players, however, may be the most significant contributions.
For our coaching staff and recruiting, we have to continue to sell our success in having players in the trenches in the NFL.
Hopefully, the new coaching staff can recruit some skill players that have more success in the NFL. Hearing the RB, WR, QB and App St periodically during the broadcast sure seems that it could enhance the brand even more as well as recruiting. It does seem like it would not hurt. Be awesome if we could get a QB (that starts) in the NFL one day.
In the NIL era, that may be difficult as colleges with deep pockets may come calling. I think our best potential option is a guy that comes to us through the portal and decides to stay the second year.

[AppSt94]

Let’s not over exaggerate our presence, or lack thereof in the NFL. We aren’t, nor likely will we ever be churning out NFL contributors.

I don't think the total number is so bad, but it would have been nice to produce at least a couple bigger contributors over the course of our run of success. Plenty of programs that have won less than us have done so.

Sure, but define contributor? I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong nor am I arguing with you, but most of our guys that have managed to stick around are guys that play positions that don’t get a lot of attention. OL, Punter and LBs. They contribute, but they aren’t guys that receiver notoriety at the next level.

You said you aren't arguing with me, but it kind of sounds like you are.

Not at all.

[EastHallApp]

To answer: I think most people can understand what I mean by "bigger contributors." That's not to say our guys who are on rosters aren't contributing at all. Obviously.

I'm talking about regular starters. Guys who aren't at constant risk of being cut or sent to the practice squad. A Pro Bowler would be nice.

And yes, it doesn't help from a notoriety perspective that our best pros are a punter and interior linemen.

ADG has had a nice career. Was hoping his play last year heading into free agency would give him a chance at a regular starting role. Not sure if that's in the cards (pun intended) at Arizona, but I hope he has a great year.

[AppStFan1]

I feel like if you have made the 53 man roster, you are a "contributor"to the success of the team. From a "potential number of times the announcers say your name perspective", we do not have many, if any, n the NFL at the moment (a starter).
For me, the trenches win games and those guys are not mentioned very often by name at the rate as skill players, however, may be the most significant contributions.
For our coaching staff and recruiting, we have to continue to sell our success in having players in the trenches in the NFL.
Hopefully, the new coaching staff can recruit some skill players that have more success in the NFL. Hearing the RB, WR, QB and App St periodically during the broadcast sure seems that it could enhance the brand even more as well as recruiting. It does seem like it would not hurt. Be awesome if we could get a QB (that starts) in the NFL one day.
In the NIL era, that may be difficult as colleges with deep pockets may come calling. I think our best potential option is a guy that comes to us through the portal and decides to stay the second year.

Exactly. If you make the team you are contributing in some way.

On recruiting we have to hope that our coaches do and know that it is possible. People have to keep in mind that practice squads were expanded a few years ago and that should counter balance the losses from the portal like Jalen McLeod and Nate Noel. We have even benefited from the portal with pickups like Bucky Williams and Ahmani Marshall who did not begin their careers in Boone.

As far as definitions, they are having a similar argument on 247 about the likely outcome out going for it on 4th down. Some are saying likely is something that is 54% or 60% of the time when the reality is many view likely as mostly a sure thing, which 60% is not. Some people view things differently so I think that is why some are going to argue about wording because we have folks who think contributor just means you start, despite the definition not being that, or 60% being likely when that is almost 50/50, which by definition is not likely. Some people seem to have different definitions from what the word actually means.

[AppSt94]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

[ASUFan4863]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

He is making my ban irrelevant with how many conversations go that way. I am proud to say I wasn’t that obsessed

[AppStFan1]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

Just depends on how you view contributor. By definition it is someone who adds some type of value. If you mean by someone who adds significant value on game day then you are right that we have not had many of those. I would say Coakley, Stevens, Sam Martin, etc are major contributors but just someone contributing something, since people are seeming to want a granular definition, would include anyone who makes the 53-man roster or practice squad. PS players contribute by helping the team prepare during the week so they do contribute something.

t is a free country so people tend to reference discussions from other boards here and there. For example, when some on here or 247 have referenced a discussion from another school's 247 board or one from a non 247 board like CSNbbs, etc. Some of the same discussions or arguments are happening on both boards at same time. I'm not the first to do it.

[AppStFan1]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

He is making my ban irrelevant with how many conversations go that way. I am proud to say I wasn’t that obsessed

Mentioning a couple discussions is not obsessed haha. What did you do to get banned?

[ASUFan4863]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

He is making my ban irrelevant with how many conversations go that way. I am proud to say I wasn’t that obsessed

Mentioning a couple discussions is not obsessed haha. What did you do to get banned?

In a push for truth and actual reporting from the leader of that site, I crossed the line several times on a personal level. I deserved it fully. It just made me start getting my own information from direct sources.

[AppStFan1]

The contributor reference wasn’t meant as a slight. What I meant by contributor was someone that is going to be making plays and be on the radar of folks who would hear the name and associate with playing his college ball at App. We have guys that contribute to their teams, or they wouldn’t be there, but those in the NFL currently aren’t guys that folks care where they went to school.

As for the conversation on 24/7, there is no argument. The math is the math. I don’t know why so many conversations talk about what is going on over there. Especially from those that just lurk and don’t contribute.

He is making my ban irrelevant with how many conversations go that way. I am proud to say I wasn’t that obsessed

Mentioning a couple discussions is not obsessed haha. What did you do to get banned?

In a push for truth and actual reporting from the leader of that site, I crossed the line several times on a personal level. I deserved it fully. It just made me start getting my own information from direct sources.

I understand you wanting that and you definitely should not have taken personal shots but they should let you return. You have to remember that 247 has to be very careful what they report. All 247 site admins have to be careful anyway because anyone who has a premium account for any school can read all of the others. Someone on there said that he is in a tough spot now that he can't provide some info that he would want to or else he could lose the ability to go to some practices or get interviews but it was always like that. The difference is that Clark and Satt both had no issue with more info getting out and fed that info.

Loggains comes from the NFL and they are more secretive. That is just how it is. This is not like the NFL where you have to allow certain access. They have the PFWA which advocates for media rights and there are rules on what coaches have to do for media so the media can be a little more honest. Also, the agents tend to have agendas and push stories to reporters. There are way more rules due to NFLPA so agents don't fear blow back on them. NIL agents have more of a fear so they are much more careful and it allows coaches to control a lot more, especially for a school like us where national media aren't at all of our practices. Loggains can absolutely control info flow a lot easier here than in NFL or SEC and I understand why he would want to do that.