Up Next...UNC

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
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Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 pm
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Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:33 pm
Tez Walker was denied by NCAA..will not play for heels for 2023..do not know the whole story other than snippets by UNC, other folks supporting the reinstatement, etc. Too bad for the kid.
When we play P5 schools, I want them at 100%.
They are at 100%, he was not eligible, so if he’d played, they’d be 105%
Rules are rules, he should not be allowed
I haven't followed this case closely, but didnt NCAA change the rules after he was already accepted and enrolled? So, he was on campus ready to play (passed all NCAA rules) and then the NCAA said "nah, we're going to change the rules."

If the rule was always in place, then I agree to it being held up. If they changed the rule AFTER the approved his transfer and then deny it because of said rule change, that is not right at all -- and not something I wouldn't put passed the NCAA for doing.
That's exactly what happened. He should have been grandfathered in. NCAA sucks

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:39 pm

Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:21 pm
Black Saturday wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 pm
NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:35 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:33 pm
Tez Walker was denied by NCAA..will not play for heels for 2023..do not know the whole story other than snippets by UNC, other folks supporting the reinstatement, etc. Too bad for the kid.
When we play P5 schools, I want them at 100%.
They are at 100%, he was not eligible, so if he’d played, they’d be 105%
Rules are rules, he should not be allowed
I haven't followed this case closely, but didnt NCAA change the rules after he was already accepted and enrolled? So, he was on campus ready to play (passed all NCAA rules) and then the NCAA said "nah, we're going to change the rules."

If the rule was always in place, then I agree to it being held up. If they changed the rule AFTER the approved his transfer and then deny it because of said rule change, that is not right at all -- and not something I wouldn't put passed the NCAA for doing.
That's exactly what happened. He should have been grandfathered in. NCAA sucks
First, i absolutely hate the holes

They should sue the NCAA. How can this happen when he transferred before the rule was made? Absolutely and completely ridiculous.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:48 pm

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:39 pm
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:21 pm
Black Saturday wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 pm
NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:35 pm


They are at 100%, he was not eligible, so if he’d played, they’d be 105%
Rules are rules, he should not be allowed
I haven't followed this case closely, but didnt NCAA change the rules after he was already accepted and enrolled? So, he was on campus ready to play (passed all NCAA rules) and then the NCAA said "nah, we're going to change the rules."

If the rule was always in place, then I agree to it being held up. If they changed the rule AFTER the approved his transfer and then deny it because of said rule change, that is not right at all -- and not something I wouldn't put passed the NCAA for doing.
That's exactly what happened. He should have been grandfathered in. NCAA sucks
First, i absolutely hate the holes

They should sue the NCAA. How can this happen when he transferred before the rule was made? Absolutely and completely ridiculous.
I personally thought giving an extra Covid year across the board was a bit ridiculous but since that was done how can you punish and player/student who lost out due to a season cancellation? Horrible decision

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Longrifle28 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:49 pm

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I expect UNC to try and be very physical with us this time around. We need to match that physicality, need to tackle better, and we need to limit penalties and turnovers. If/when Maye runs we need to punish him and make him really have to think about it. Defensive backs will really need to step up their game. I hope we have a good gameplan that looks to exploit possible weaknesses and then we execute.

Could UNC have a let down, and were we looking past GW? Hope so...
Dude, you really don't know how good Gardner-Webb is, do you? They aren't Gardner-Webb from a few years ago. App was also breaking in a Redshirt Freshman QB with a broken finger the first half. Sloan was toying around with d-line combinations and coverages the 1st half. Once all of that was settled, App went on a tear, scoring 24 straight points and forcing 3 turnovers. This GWU team lost to Liberty by 1 point and to Coastal by 5 last year. App scored more points on a defense that returned almost everyone, including three All-Americans, than Coastal, Marshall, and Liberty did last year.

It was Week 1 against a well coached and very talented FCS team. I'm actually encouraged by how the game played out once Joey came in. App outscored GWU 38-14 once he came in the game, scored on five of six possessions, and he threw more touchdowns than incompletions.

Chill. GWU would've been a mid-pack Sun Belt team before expansion, probably 2019, with this team. Everyone would've been happy with a 45-24 win in a conference game at that point. Yet, because they don't understand the context, they freak out. It's dumb.
Dude, I think I was one of the first to recognize GW wasn't the same team from previous years. Noted they were ranked and had 2 players on a watch list. Hoped the board was going to be civil if we didn't blow them out. I still picked us to win by 21. You need to go chill....
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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:04 pm

When we were FCS (good to great years) did we ever play any G5 type teams? Seems like we played a P5, Wake a good bit, FCS or lower and our conference. During the 3 year run of Natty's we probably could have knocked off a number of G5 type teams. I'm not saying GW is at that level but they ain't too shabby. A 21 point win especially after our slow start was impressive.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:10 pm

I wouldn’t put either party involved above making the rules up as they go along.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by t4pizza » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:20 pm

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My one concern with this game is it could be raining. 55% chance. That will hurt us from being able to spread them out.
We haven't really spread teams out for many years. Seems like those formations went away with our tempo offense.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by mountaineerman » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:23 pm

Longrifle28 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:49 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:43 pm
Longrifle28 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:54 am
I expect UNC to try and be very physical with us this time around. We need to match that physicality, need to tackle better, and we need to limit penalties and turnovers. If/when Maye runs we need to punish him and make him really have to think about it. Defensive backs will really need to step up their game. I hope we have a good gameplan that looks to exploit possible weaknesses and then we execute.

Could UNC have a let down, and were we looking past GW? Hope so...
Dude, you really don't know how good Gardner-Webb is, do you? They aren't Gardner-Webb from a few years ago. App was also breaking in a Redshirt Freshman QB with a broken finger the first half. Sloan was toying around with d-line combinations and coverages the 1st half. Once all of that was settled, App went on a tear, scoring 24 straight points and forcing 3 turnovers. This GWU team lost to Liberty by 1 point and to Coastal by 5 last year. App scored more points on a defense that returned almost everyone, including three All-Americans, than Coastal, Marshall, and Liberty did last year.

It was Week 1 against a well coached and very talented FCS team. I'm actually encouraged by how the game played out once Joey came in. App outscored GWU 38-14 once he came in the game, scored on five of six possessions, and he threw more touchdowns than incompletions.

Chill. GWU would've been a mid-pack Sun Belt team before expansion, probably 2019, with this team. Everyone would've been happy with a 45-24 win in a conference game at that point. Yet, because they don't understand the context, they freak out. It's dumb.
Dude, I think I was one of the first to recognize GW wasn't the same team from previous years. Noted they were ranked and had 2 players on a watch list. Hoped the board was going to be civil if we didn't blow them out. I still picked us to win by 21. You need to go chill....
You came to Erics aid like he’s waiting in the weeds!

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:00 pm

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Their defense was embarrassed last year and will be ready to go. Over under is 58.5, which is low.

Seems folks are expecting a 38-17 type game which sounds about right on paper.

In years past we had advantages at a few position groups, that doesn’t appear to be the case this year, maybe push at WR, RB and DB (neither are great). QB, and both lines they have a clear advantage.
On paper, they had an advantage at QB and both lines in 2019 and 2022. So what's different? The defensive lines don't play each other so that's a pointless comparison. The offensive lines don't play each other so that's also a pointless comparison. Based on what I saw on Saturday, I'd be very encouraged about the potential of App's defensive line, dog, and anchor positions. Safety play was improved, and the corner spots and depth were upgraded over last year. You also have an upgrade in Sloan over Jones as well as most position coaches on defense.

People reacting negatively to the GWU game doesn't surprise me but the extent of it is quite puzzling. I always thought App fans were educated on their opposition but this doesn't seem to be the case.
I see exactly what you see.

I think most have fear from recent history and last couple of years.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 pm
NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:35 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:33 pm
Tez Walker was denied by NCAA..will not play for heels for 2023..do not know the whole story other than snippets by UNC, other folks supporting the reinstatement, etc. Too bad for the kid.
When we play P5 schools, I want them at 100%.
They are at 100%, he was not eligible, so if he’d played, they’d be 105%
Rules are rules, he should not be allowed
But UNC has different rules and classes..... ha,ha ha

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by MrCraig » Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:44 am

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:04 pm
When we were FCS (good to great years) did we ever play any G5 type teams? Seems like we played a P5, Wake a good bit, FCS or lower and our conference. During the 3 year run of Natty's we probably could have knocked off a number of G5 type teams. I'm not saying GW is at that level but they ain't too shabby. A 21 point win especially after our slow start was impressive.
Without doing a deep Google, App played ECU a couple times. I think that’s about it.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by GreatAppSt » Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:56 am

I have been kneading my thoughts about this matchup all week and Big C hit on my same thought in his prediction post. Last year we had 1 FCS game of UNC playing the Rattlers to study Drake, it worried me at that time and said so before the last game, it came to fruition her gave us hell. Now IMHO Joey's will to return the favor UNC has less FCS film on Joey that we had on Drake only a little more than a half of play. Payback is going to be hell for them, again in IMHO. Joey came here to prove something and this is his stage, hide and watch closet AppHole fans. :evil:
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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by biggie » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:42 am

GreatAppSt wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:56 am
I have been kneading my thoughts about this matchup all week and Big C hit on my same thought in his prediction post. Last year we had 1 FCS game of UNC playing the Rattlers to study Drake, it worried me at that time and said so before the last game, it came to fruition her gave us hell. Now IMHO Joey's will to return the favor UNC has less FCS film on Joey that we had on Drake only a little more than a half of play. Payback is going to be hell for them, again in IMHO. Joey came here to prove something and this is his stage, hide and watch closet AppHole fans. :evil:
I hope so, we just have the unknown with Joey. But it is an advantage for their lack of tape and I assume we were still pretty bland in the 2nd half with the offense.

Though I still worry more about our D than our O currently.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:48 am

Hopefully we won't play so far off the receivers in a bend don't break approach. Any team who has a QB with a quick release can eat us up 8 yards at a time with those sideline flanker screens. A 3 man rush isn't gonna get it tomorrow either.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by ASUFan4863 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:50 am

I am cautiously optimistic about our defense. UNC is not going to throw a screen on every play like GW did. We are going to have a chance to get after the QB like we did in the 4th quarter against GW. We got almost no pressure without blitzing last year. I think we can get pressure rushing 3 this season. Carolina's OL is still the weakest link of their offense.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:54 am

biggie wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:42 am
GreatAppSt wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:56 am
I have been kneading my thoughts about this matchup all week and Big C hit on my same thought in his prediction post. Last year we had 1 FCS game of UNC playing the Rattlers to study Drake, it worried me at that time and said so before the last game, it came to fruition her gave us hell. Now IMHO Joey's will to return the favor UNC has less FCS film on Joey that we had on Drake only a little more than a half of play. Payback is going to be hell for them, again in IMHO. Joey came here to prove something and this is his stage, hide and watch closet AppHole fans. :evil:
I hope so, we just have the unknown with Joey. But it is an advantage for their lack of tape and I assume we were still pretty bland in the 2nd half with the offense.

Though I still worry more about our D than our O currently.
Our D has a lot to prove this weekend. Last year was really bad averaging ~ 32 pts/gm against FBS competition. They need to come in and play their butts off this week.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:39 am

Reasons to be optimistic as one can be.

1) Joey seems unflappable. His demeanor is just right for a game like this.

2) GW started the game with quick passes. We adjusted and took it away and in turn, created more pass rush. The takeaway is that we have coaches and players on the defensive side of the ball that can adapt.

3) 9 sacks by the Carolina defense looks good but they did it when SC abandoned the run. Anyone looks good when the other team is one dimensional. The offenses for both teams are largely intact from the teams that put up 120+ points. I imagine both defenses are better but we will see which one the most improved.

Tomorrow should be fun.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by biggie » Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:58 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:39 am
Reasons to be optimistic as one can be.

1) Joey seems unflappable. His demeanor is just right for a game like this.

2) GW started the game with quick passes. We adjusted and took it away and in turn, created more pass rush. The takeaway is that we have coaches and players on the defensive side of the ball that can adapt.

3) 9 sacks by the Carolina defense looks good but they did it when SC abandoned the run. Anyone looks good when the other team is one dimensional. The offenses for both teams are largely intact from the teams that put up 120+ points. I imagine both defenses are better but we will see which one the most improved.

Tomorrow should be fun.
I hadn't watched the SC game so wondered what caused all the sacks. On paper it looks very scary for our OL.

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:18 am

biggie wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:58 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:39 am
Reasons to be optimistic as one can be.

1) Joey seems unflappable. His demeanor is just right for a game like this.

2) GW started the game with quick passes. We adjusted and took it away and in turn, created more pass rush. The takeaway is that we have coaches and players on the defensive side of the ball that can adapt.

3) 9 sacks by the Carolina defense looks good but they did it when SC abandoned the run. Anyone looks good when the other team is one dimensional. The offenses for both teams are largely intact from the teams that put up 120+ points. I imagine both defenses are better but we will see which one the most improved.

Tomorrow should be fun.
I hadn't watched the SC game so wondered what caused all the sacks. On paper it looks very scary for our OL.
They don’t play games on paper. They are played on your TV screen. :D

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Re: Up Next...UNC

Unread post by yosef69 » Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:23 am

biggie wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:58 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:39 am
Reasons to be optimistic as one can be.

1) Joey seems unflappable. His demeanor is just right for a game like this.

2) GW started the game with quick passes. We adjusted and took it away and in turn, created more pass rush. The takeaway is that we have coaches and players on the defensive side of the ball that can adapt.

3) 9 sacks by the Carolina defense looks good but they did it when SC abandoned the run. Anyone looks good when the other team is one dimensional. The offenses for both teams are largely intact from the teams that put up 120+ points. I imagine both defenses are better but we will see which one the most improved.

Tomorrow should be fun.
I hadn't watched the SC game so wondered what caused all the sacks. On paper it looks very scary for our OL.
Allegations of sign stealing from a Heel staffer from his time at SC last season. Beamer didn’t change his signs. Hope we did.

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