NC State is ranked #24 right now by the selection committee. Personally, I hope you are right and that Satterfield would not want to go there, but I suspect you are mistaken. The location and ACC affiliation alone would make NCSU attractive. There is a tremendous amount of potential there. I'm glad the position isn't going to be open so we don't have to find out!Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:45 amState lost worst to Wake than we did, also they are not even in the top 25 now. You can say what you did about almost any P5 school...IF they win their games they're in the CFP...of course but State didn't and don't ever. This year was State's best in what 20+ years, or is it 25+ years? If State was such a great place to coach why is Doeren even looking at TN? Again, just my perception and what I know and hear about their fan base and the fact that they're more of a basketball school being part of the old "big 4 ACC NC" schools. Just my lowly opinion. BTW, there are lots of great teams to coach at that are between NC State and Alabama. I never, and I don't recall any MMB poster saying or implying that Satt should hold out for Alabama. Satt may love the challenge of coaching in Raleigh and the extra money in his bank account, and if he goes there I will remain a fan of his until he happens to play App, at which time I'll be pulling against him.MtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:21 amYou do realize that at the midway point of this season NC State was a darkhorse for the CFP? If they win the ACC with one loss (even thought that loss wouldve been to USC) they are in. How is that not a good job for any coach not already in a P5 conference? "Something better?" So hes not leaving unless Saban retires? I think people really have their head in the sand about what Satt would, or should, move on for.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:02 amI agree wer'e a long way from a NY6 bowl currently but I've heard Satt mention it as a goal several times and just knowing his life-long association at App, it'd be a crowning achievement before he left. I just don't see the NC State job as a good move for him, it'd have to be something better, but just my opinion./\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:43 amI think we are far from a NY6 game. So many things go into getting there, most being out of his control. A one loss AAC would probably get it over an undefeated Sun Belt team. Next two years schedules probably aren't strong enough to get us there, and we need the Sun Belt to look better outside of the top 3 teams. Personally, I'd never stick around for that to happen. The chances of us going undefeated alone are tough.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 amI've always felt like Satt wouldn't leave until he had reached his goal of getting us into a NY6 bowl, unless a truly great opportunity was presented to him. I just don't see the NC State job as being a truly great opportunity, but that's just my perception. NC State would be just another stepping stone that pays more sure, but the resulting frustrations and family upheaval may not be worth it.
Money doesn't buy happiness, in fact most of the families I've been around that have true wealth are some of the most unhappiest and in at least one case, the son actually ended up dead because too much of that wealth went up his nose. I always felt like the wealth-generating father was not connected enough with the son because he was too preoccupied with growing his business and accumulating wealth.
At any rate, I don't know what motivates Satt, but I'm appreciative of everything he's done for our football program, and I will remain one of his fans regardless of where he ends up.
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How low do they go?
Actually I'm a little surprised the Wake HC isn't on their radar. Clawson has done a pretty good job of improving that program and is definitely on an upward trend in Winston Salem.
Actually I'm a little surprised the Wake HC isn't on their radar. Clawson has done a pretty good job of improving that program and is definitely on an upward trend in Winston Salem.
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Just in case Scott leaves. Thoughts on us having a shot at getting Mike Houston from JMU. Incredible coaching record and many jobs coaching in NC. He is kicking butt in FCS.
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If I were Tennessee I'd call Neal Brown today.
I think they've reached the point, though, that coaches who would normally want the job are turning it down because the search has been such a fiasco.
I think they've reached the point, though, that coaches who would normally want the job are turning it down because the search has been such a fiasco.
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I was looking at the major polls, not the selection committee rankings, but still it kind of solidifies my position that State has had their best team in like 20 years and although not in most major T25 polls, they are an impressive (I'm holding my sarcasm sign here) 24th in the CFP rankings. Perhaps something new is happening in Raleigh that I'm not aware of. My personal association with State goes back to the early 70s and I've rarely (actually never) been impressed with their football program, basketball yes (from time to time), football no...I would venture a guess that perhaps Satt is a strong enough coach that he could perhaps build a program there but it'd have its challenges. And yes, I know he'd have more money if he went to State.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:15 pmNC State is ranked #24 right now by the selection committee. Personally, I hope you are right and that Satterfield would not want to go there, but I suspect you are mistaken. The location and ACC affiliation alone would make NCSU attractive. There is a tremendous amount of potential there. I'm glad the position isn't going to be open so we don't have to find out!Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:45 amState lost worst to Wake than we did, also they are not even in the top 25 now. You can say what you did about almost any P5 school...IF they win their games they're in the CFP...of course but State didn't and don't ever. This year was State's best in what 20+ years, or is it 25+ years? If State was such a great place to coach why is Doeren even looking at TN? Again, just my perception and what I know and hear about their fan base and the fact that they're more of a basketball school being part of the old "big 4 ACC NC" schools. Just my lowly opinion. BTW, there are lots of great teams to coach at that are between NC State and Alabama. I never, and I don't recall any MMB poster saying or implying that Satt should hold out for Alabama. Satt may love the challenge of coaching in Raleigh and the extra money in his bank account, and if he goes there I will remain a fan of his until he happens to play App, at which time I'll be pulling against him.MtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:21 amYou do realize that at the midway point of this season NC State was a darkhorse for the CFP? If they win the ACC with one loss (even thought that loss wouldve been to USC) they are in. How is that not a good job for any coach not already in a P5 conference? "Something better?" So hes not leaving unless Saban retires? I think people really have their head in the sand about what Satt would, or should, move on for.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:02 amI agree wer'e a long way from a NY6 bowl currently but I've heard Satt mention it as a goal several times and just knowing his life-long association at App, it'd be a crowning achievement before he left. I just don't see the NC State job as a good move for him, it'd have to be something better, but just my opinion./\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:43 am
I think we are far from a NY6 game. So many things go into getting there, most being out of his control. A one loss AAC would probably get it over an undefeated Sun Belt team. Next two years schedules probably aren't strong enough to get us there, and we need the Sun Belt to look better outside of the top 3 teams. Personally, I'd never stick around for that to happen. The chances of us going undefeated alone are tough.
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Maybe. I guess a lot of folks are concerned that we can't hire a competent replacement. For the record, I don't share their concern.
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I think the difference between State and the other in-state P5s is there's just no likely way to make it a long-term job, even if you want to. It's just one of those jobs where the expectations exceed the historical level. Doesn't make it a bad opportunity for someone, just means you should probably go there with the expectation of moving on when you get the chance.
At UNC, Fedora better not go 3-9 again, but if he goes 8-4 most years with the occasional 6-6 or 10-2 mixed in, he can stay there as long as he wants with a mostly satisfied fan base. At Wake and Duke, just make a bowl game most years and you'll be fine.
At UNC, Fedora better not go 3-9 again, but if he goes 8-4 most years with the occasional 6-6 or 10-2 mixed in, he can stay there as long as he wants with a mostly satisfied fan base. At Wake and Duke, just make a bowl game most years and you'll be fine.
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Tennessee is probably considering Mike Houston at this point in their mess.
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Let's start a #BringBackDonnieKirkpatrick hashtag on Twitter if that happens too!
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As well they should. The UT mob turned that job into currently the worst P5 job in the country.EastHallApp wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:33 pmIf I were Tennessee I'd call Neal Brown today.
I think they've reached the point, though, that coaches who would normally want the job are turning it down because the search has been such a fiasco.
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I'm no looking for a fight. I just found it baffling that you and some others can say with a serious face that our coach wouldn't love to coach at in-state ACC school that has a demonstrated commitment to football (unlike Duke UNC) and that could allow you, recruiting wise, to compete most years with the Clemsons and FSUs of the world. Im not "imagining" things you said. You said Satt would wait for something "better" than State because "theyre more of a basketball school." I live in Raleigh. I pointed out that there were plenty reasons a competitor like Satt who wants to compete at the highest levels of CFB would want to go, facilities, recruiting, assistant $ etc instead of waiting for something "better," a position that, while not Alabama, Im still not sure what you believe to be. He was ready to go North to middling AAC team in Cincy, but State is out of the question.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:20 pmYou're just looking for a fight as you're imagining things I've said. For example, where did I say or imply that the following weren't true: "States facilities, recruitment opportunities, assistants pool $, stadium, and # of fans in the stands are greater than they are at App" or this " bball school in the since UNC is" and I do not have illusions that "he will stay in Boone forever." I merely said that Satt can do better than the NC State job and I hope he holds out for that. I grew up in NC and one of my brothers graduated from State and was there during there first basketball national championship. They've since won a 2nd national championship in basketballMtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:53 amIf Doeren goes its because of money, nothing else (which people seem to think doesn't motivate normal people to make career choices around here). Beyond Satt's potential salary- States facilities, recruitment opportunities, assistants pool $, stadium, and # of fans in the stands are greater than they are at App as much as I hate to say that. Im not a state fan but they are not a bball school in the since UNC is. They put them in at the Carter. State is a "better job" for someone like Satt. This isn't a Cincy, Vandy, Kansas, etc. Its an ACC school that regularly competes with Clemson and FSU. If you don't think that appeals to someone who wants to coach big time CFB then you really do think he will stay in Boone forever and no one will convince you otherwise.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:45 amState lost worst to Wake than we did, also they are not even in the top 25 now. You can say what you did about almost any P5 school...IF they win their games they're in the CFP...of course but State didn't and don't ever. This year was State's best in what 20+ years, or is it 25+ years? If State was such a great place to coach why is Doeren even looking at TN? Again, just my perception and what I know and hear about their fan base and the fact that they're more of a basketball school being part of the old "big 4 ACC NC" schools. Just my lowly opinion. BTW, there are lots of great teams to coach at that are between NC State and Alabama. I never, and I don't recall any MMB poster saying or implying that Satt should hold out for Alabama. Satt may love the challenge of coaching in Raleigh and the extra money in his bank account, and if he goes there I will remain a fan of his until he happens to play App, at which time I'll be pulling against him.MtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:21 amYou do realize that at the midway point of this season NC State was a darkhorse for the CFP? If they win the ACC with one loss (even thought that loss wouldve been to USC) they are in. How is that not a good job for any coach not already in a P5 conference? "Something better?" So hes not leaving unless Saban retires? I think people really have their head in the sand about what Satt would, or should, move on for.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:02 am
I agree wer'e a long way from a NY6 bowl currently but I've heard Satt mention it as a goal several times and just knowing his life-long association at App, it'd be a crowning achievement before he left. I just don't see the NC State job as a good move for him, it'd have to be something better, but just my opinion.
but you're correct that they are not on the level of basketball as UNC which is not what I said or implied. I don't agree with your apparently high opinion of their football program, I'd rather see Satt go to a better program with a higher likelihood of success. A bad career move, especially for money, can set you back and derail your career. Besides Doeren's potential opportunity at TN, what other NC State coaches have spring boarded from Raleigh into great positions? Perhaps I'm not remembering correctly.
I hate NC State. It annoys me that I had to defend the idea that they are an appealing football job for G5 coaches, especially since its all moot and Doeren is staying. I will say I agree with you that I hope Satt holds out.
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You know it's bad when you've resorted to pursuing a coach who doesn't exist.appstate77 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 pmESPN saying Doaren staying at State. UT going after T AM coach.
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I think they were referencing Sumerlin who was let go from T A&M.
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The de facto statement above is the exact reason that Scott and his agent/attorney need to do their homework and "place their bets" very, very carefully. Just ask Sparky Woods about that! What seems like a Godsend one month can seem like Hell soon thereafter. That longed-for first "really big step up" can start like a dream and end in the first step back down followed by years and years of hanging on by the skin of one's teeth. I'm confident that Scott will examine all of the pros and cons of each institution that reaches out to him before he takes that leap into virtual uncertainty.
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This! It’s not just about opportunity for Scott, he has a team of coaches to consider as well, opportunity for all.MtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:19 pmI'm no looking for a fight. I just found it baffling that you and some others can say with a serious face that our coach wouldn't love to coach at in-state ACC school that has a demonstrated commitment to football (unlike Duke UNC) and that could allow you, recruiting wise, to compete most years with the Clemsons and FSUs of the world. Im not "imagining" things you said. You said Satt would wait for something "better" than State because "theyre more of a basketball school." I live in Raleigh. I pointed out that there were plenty reasons a competitor like Satt who wants to compete at the highest levels of CFB would want to go, facilities, recruiting, assistant $ etc instead of waiting for something "better," a position that, while not Alabama, Im still not sure what you believe to be. He was ready to go North to middling AAC team in Cincy, but State is out of the question.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:20 pmYou're just looking for a fight as you're imagining things I've said. For example, where did I say or imply that the following weren't true: "States facilities, recruitment opportunities, assistants pool $, stadium, and # of fans in the stands are greater than they are at App" or this " bball school in the since UNC is" and I do not have illusions that "he will stay in Boone forever." I merely said that Satt can do better than the NC State job and I hope he holds out for that. I grew up in NC and one of my brothers graduated from State and was there during there first basketball national championship. They've since won a 2nd national championship in basketballMtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:53 amIf Doeren goes its because of money, nothing else (which people seem to think doesn't motivate normal people to make career choices around here). Beyond Satt's potential salary- States facilities, recruitment opportunities, assistants pool $, stadium, and # of fans in the stands are greater than they are at App as much as I hate to say that. Im not a state fan but they are not a bball school in the since UNC is. They put them in at the Carter. State is a "better job" for someone like Satt. This isn't a Cincy, Vandy, Kansas, etc. Its an ACC school that regularly competes with Clemson and FSU. If you don't think that appeals to someone who wants to coach big time CFB then you really do think he will stay in Boone forever and no one will convince you otherwise.Rick83 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:45 amState lost worst to Wake than we did, also they are not even in the top 25 now. You can say what you did about almost any P5 school...IF they win their games they're in the CFP...of course but State didn't and don't ever. This year was State's best in what 20+ years, or is it 25+ years? If State was such a great place to coach why is Doeren even looking at TN? Again, just my perception and what I know and hear about their fan base and the fact that they're more of a basketball school being part of the old "big 4 ACC NC" schools. Just my lowly opinion. BTW, there are lots of great teams to coach at that are between NC State and Alabama. I never, and I don't recall any MMB poster saying or implying that Satt should hold out for Alabama. Satt may love the challenge of coaching in Raleigh and the extra money in his bank account, and if he goes there I will remain a fan of his until he happens to play App, at which time I'll be pulling against him.MtnMan09 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:21 am
You do realize that at the midway point of this season NC State was a darkhorse for the CFP? If they win the ACC with one loss (even thought that loss wouldve been to USC) they are in. How is that not a good job for any coach not already in a P5 conference? "Something better?" So hes not leaving unless Saban retires? I think people really have their head in the sand about what Satt would, or should, move on for.
but you're correct that they are not on the level of basketball as UNC which is not what I said or implied. I don't agree with your apparently high opinion of their football program, I'd rather see Satt go to a better program with a higher likelihood of success. A bad career move, especially for money, can set you back and derail your career. Besides Doeren's potential opportunity at TN, what other NC State coaches have spring boarded from Raleigh into great positions? Perhaps I'm not remembering correctly.
I hate NC State. It annoys me that I had to defend the idea that they are an appealing football job for G5 coaches, especially since its all moot and Doeren is staying. I will say I agree with you that I hope Satt holds out.
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Satterfield's name just popped up on volnation.com blog. Interesting comments from the Dreamsicle colored bloggers.
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Money to some of these guys must just be like paper. Why not take the UT gig if you are a young but respected coach? I mean you go there, collect a ridiculous salary, rattle off an 6-7, 8-5, 9-4 in three year, play in 3 bowls then get fired cause it it ain’t good enough despite the obvious advances. Take the stupid millions they are willing to throw around then go get a normal job where fans don’t lose their minds- set for life!