The ASU coaching search and potential candidates to discuss

[Rekdiver]

I respectfull disagree. Jerry Moore wanted to prove that he could coach and win and show the people in Texas they made a mistake. It was a helluva gamble for the AD to hire him. I believe the parallels are similar except BL is a proven winner if he's hired. JM was not.

[ASUPATCH]

Bobby Lutz will be the new Head Coach at App State.

Source????

[Niner National]

Bobby Lutz will be the new Head Coach at App State.

If true, he will be a fine coach for App. He needs to re-evaluate his decisions in assistant coaches though. He was too loyal to a group of guys that did a very poor job recruiting. He should also leave Moxley behind at State. He gives Moxley too much power. Moxley literally had veto power in recruiting. If another assistant coach tried to sign a recruit, but Moxley didn't want him, Moxley could veto it. Have never heard of that anywhere else before.

I hope for App's sake that he does not keep Kummer and brings a little fresh blood with him. It will benefit him and it will benefit App.

[Kgfish]

He could be the Jerry Moore of basketball.

[Kgfish]

If Lutz is the next coach he will bring stability to the program, but not much else, at this point in his career he is a "caretaker", you have to wonder if he will come in with alot of energy, determined to do a great job, or will he be happy with a 500 record most years.

We don't need a caretaker, we need someone with fire in his belly and a passion for ASU. Don't know how you get that from a 56 year old guy who has spent most of those years recruiting against us, trying to beat us and talking negatively about us.

[moehler]

seems the board is pretty much split of approval/disapproval of Lutz, got a feeling that's going to be the case with the alumi if Lutz is hired. If hired he is going to have his work cut out for him getting the App nation behind him.

[AppinVA]

seems the board is pretty much split of approval/disapproval of Lutz, got a feeling that's going to be the case with the alumi if Lutz is hired. If hired he is going to have his work cut out for him getting the App nation behind him.

Lutz has two things going for him:
1. Not from CHeat.
2. Not Capel.

I'd rather have Rhoades, but if not, those are two big improvements from the get-go.

[Saint3333]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

[EastHallApp]

If Lutz is the next coach he will bring stability to the program, but not much else, at this point in his career he is a "caretaker", you have to wonder if he will come in with alot of energy, determined to do a great job, or will he be happy with a 500 record most years.

I don't think any coach will be happy with a .500 record most years, because hopefully that won't be enough to hold onto his job. And I don't think the coach can be a caretaker when the program he's taking over is at rock bottom. Pretty much have no choice but to be a builder.

With that said, I tend to share your view and concerns. A lot of the guys we've talked about are "swing for the fences" type hires. Lutz seems more like a solid single, maybe double.

[wataugan03]

Mike Rhodes is making about $140,000 at VCU right now. This is around what Coach Capel was making. One would think that if we pony up and offer him the salary of a proven coach that he'd really take a look at it.

I don't know. He can afford to be picky. Sometime in the next 5 years Smart is leaving and he will leave for something incredible - maybe Indiana or UCLA incredible. Rhodes might become VCU's head coach then, if not, he will have the option to be the top assistant at an absolutely elite program.

And I'm sure there are 20 other programs with vacancies who are also giving him interest right now. Someone could outbid us.

[moehler]

agree it makes sense for Rhondes to take his time, if one of the bigger schools shows interest, great, if not, has has a wonderful job being an assistant at VCU. The only reason I could see him maybe taking the job at a mid major like App is a pay raise, he only makes 140,000 at VCU, App, or some other midmajor, would have to atleast double that for him to show interest.

[asutrnr81]

seems the board is pretty much split of approval/disapproval of Lutz, got a feeling that's going to be the case with the alumi if Lutz is hired. If hired he is going to have his work cut out for him getting the App nation behind him.

I am getting in line whomever the net coach is.....If it is Lutz....I am there....If it is someone else I am there. I have NO control over the next coach and neither does anyone else on here for the most part...So whatever their name.....I little part of #AppNation is on board!

[JTApps1]

I'm sure Lutz would do a decent to good job, but is his the BEST we can do? To me he is at most the 3rd best candidate for the job out of the names being tossed around. Since Cobb seems to want nothing to do with McMahon, I'd say Rhoades is clearly the better option over Lutz. But it's Charlie's world and we're all just spectators at this point.

[asu66]

based off the rumor mill (which we know is always right) here is where we are right now:

App State has no interest in Matt McMahon and if offered the job he would probably turn it down.

Bobby Lutz, the former coach of UNCC and current assistant at NC State, is our top candidate.

MIke Rhoades, current assistant at VCU and former successful head coach at the D3 level, is a close secondary candidate.

Derrick Clark, the coach at Metro State (D2), is a fall-back candidate.

Based off of comparable it looks App is looking to spend between $200,000 and $300,000 on a coach.

Bobby Lutz is making around $225,000 right now at NC State. He seems to be happy and is winning games. If he really wants to be a head coach again his name is also coming up for the UNCW job.

Mike Rhoades' name has come up for the FIU job. Based off comparable they are looking to pay him around $250,000.

Both of these coaches will probably have their names on several coaching lists for other school in coming days.

As of now Derrick Clark's name has not appeared on any other lists and it is unexpected for it to since few D1 schools look to D2 schools for coaches.

I think Cobb might be floating the idea that Matt would turn down the job to cover himself for not going after McMahon. I know he would be interested in the job if he was a candidate.

Your info on Lutz backs up what I was told Sunday evening.

If App State offered Matt McMahon the head coaching position he would take it. Period.

I have no idea what spong is talking about.

"I think Cobb might be floating the idea that Matt would turn down the job to cover himself for not going after McMahon. I know he would be interested in the job if he was a candidate."

Unless you have concrete proof that Charlie is out floating trial balloons about someone he doesn't want to hire (M.McMahon); I think you should keep it to yourself lest you hurt Matt's chances. I happen to believe what you seem to believe. I believe Matt is interested and would consider accepting the job if the salary and contract terms were acceptable to him. Attributing unfounded, negative acts to Charlie could hurt Matt in the long term.

[appgrouch]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

[ASU03]

I think it is easy to forget just how successful Lutz was for a long period in Charlotte. I think it would be a great hire.

[EastHallApp]

Mike Rhodes is making about $140,000 at VCU right now. This is around what Coach Capel was making. One would think that if we pony up and offer him the salary of a proven coach that he'd really take a look at it.

I don't know. He can afford to be picky. Sometime in the next 5 years Smart is leaving and he will leave for something incredible - maybe Indiana or UCLA incredible. Rhodes might become VCU's head coach then, if not, he will have the option to be the top assistant at an absolutely elite program.

And I'm sure there are 20 other programs with vacancies who are also giving him interest right now. Someone could outbid us.

Think you're right, but Smart already turned down UCLA last year. He might be REALLY picky - maybe holding out for UNC, Duke or UK? Or maybe he just didn't want to move out west.

[HeffnerIV]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

[Kgfish]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.

[HeffnerIV]

Wins games and graduate players.

Looking for a coach that can win 10 games next year, 15 the next, 18 year three, 20 year four. Do this and get the APR above 940 and you will get an extension.

The Sun Belt only allows one D2 game a year.

Houston did this.

Houston was great at running a clean program and graduating good men, but his wins went 11,10,19,9,18,14,25,18,13. Fancher's problem wasn't that he couldn't produce a winner. It was that he couldn't do it consecutively and with a consistent upward trend.

Or with the next to the worst budget in the SoCon.

And with the nicest, newest facility in the SoCon. We can make a 100 excuses why he was/wasn't successful, but the fact remains that when we fired him, it was just time. For the record, I really like Fancher.