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Re: Basketball coaching staff predictions/suggestions

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:12 pm

Most likely I would think the staff would be something like this:

-One early-thirties assistant who's been maybe a third assistant at another low-major or mid-major school.
-One journeyman veteran assistant coach, perhaps someone who was part of a staff that got dismissed in this year's coaching carousel.
-One first-time coach who's either recently out of college or perhaps has been a director of basketball ops for a couple years.
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Unread post by eggers76 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:15 pm

The one with the largest sayso in who will be on the new staff is whoever is named head coach. Salaries,etc would have to fall under athletic dept. guidelines and budgets but the new coach will have his own group of folks that he will want to pursue and I think it is highly likely very few of us have any insight into who comprises this group of potential assistants. Let's just wait and see.

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Unread post by appgrouch » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:57 pm

hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
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Unread post by asutrnr81 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:19 pm

appgrouch wrote:
hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. It would take 5 Cobbs to make a McMahon or a Fancher. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
I'd bet IF the next coach went to Cobb and said the only way we can win is if HF is my head assistant, CC would not stand in the way....(And if i were the next head

I do not think that question will be asked but....I think that would be the answer....Do you live with CC and know him that well?

I do not....but I do not think CC is a villain either.
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Re: Basketball coaching staff predictions/suggestions

Unread post by app97 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:26 pm

hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
How do we even know that McMahon was interviewed, or even considered for this job?

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Unread post by wataugan03 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:32 pm

asutrnr81 wrote:
appgrouch wrote:
hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. It would take 5 Cobbs to make a McMahon or a Fancher. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
I'd bet IF the next coach went to Cobb and said the only way we can win is if HF is my head assistant, CC would not stand in the way....(And if i were the next head

I do not think that question will be asked but....I think that would be the answer....Do you live with CC and know him that well?

I do not....but I do not think CC is a villain either.
My thoughts are that (1) McMahon was clearly passed over for a less qualified coach last time; but his qualifications are very similar to Fox's, its no slap in the face to lose out to the top assistant at one of the best (arguably the best) mid-majors in the region; (2) McMahon's biggest reason not to be an assistant at App isn't pride, its that he is currently an assistant on a great team and will likely be moving on to a major program with Prohm in a couple years, why on earth would he leave that to be an assistant at a school with APR trouble whose head coach isn't going anywhere in 2 years and could be fired in 4? (3) Fox hiring McMahon or Fancher wouldn't prove Cobb wrong in his past choice, Cobb never indicated he doubted them as assistant coaches (4) It would probably be hard for Fancher to come back as an assistant from an emotional perspective, but the biggest obstacle would probably be Fox - it would just be way too awkward and too hard to negotiate the supervisor and supervised relationship in that setting.

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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:46 pm

appgrouch wrote:
hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. It would take 5 Cobbs to make a McMahon or a Fancher. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
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Unread post by Mountainrunner1 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:59 pm

Look for Coach Fox to go young and bring in three Assistants under the age of 30.

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Unread post by Dmanuhone » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:06 pm

just let Fox figure it out.
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Unread post by TheMoody1 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:17 pm

Dmanuhone wrote:just let Fox figure it out.


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Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:37 pm

TheMoody1 wrote:
Dmanuhone wrote:just let Fox figure it out.

I'm lukewarm on the hire, but my kids are going to love it, for that very reason.
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Unread post by spong » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:42 pm

What about Duane Simkins at UNCG. He is the recruiting coordinator from the DC area. UNCG hasn't been great for years but the talent has improved greatly.

My biggest concern with Coach Fox is that he doesn't have experience with public schools and recruiting to regional state schools is different than recruiting to an elite private school. Duane can help with this and help with demographic diversity.

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Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:08 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:
appgrouch wrote:
hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. It would take 5 Cobbs to make a McMahon or a Fancher. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
Pure speculation.
As has been most of this thread as well as the 10 page+ thread previously posted.
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Unread post by IGgreer » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:22 pm

My predictions on full staff:

Co- Head Coaches:
Bruce Pearl
Seth Greenberg

Lone Assistant Coach:
Matt Doherty

Water Boy:
Matt McMahon

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Unread post by spong » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:02 pm

Duane Simkins current assistant at UNCG. He is the recruiting coordinator from the DC area. UNCG hasn't been great for years but the talent has improved greatly. He understand recruiting at a regional State school which is very different than elite-private school like Davidson and he brings racial diversity.

Tony Pujol current assistant at Alabama. He was an assistant at App from 2004 to 2006.

How about a nice wild-card:
Mary Ciuk current assistant ad Davidson and spent a long time at UMass including time as the Associate Head Coach.
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Unread post by wataugan03 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:58 pm

spong wrote: Tony Pujol current assistant at Alabama. He was an assistant at App from 2004 to 2006.
For some reason I don't see us raiding SEC teams to fill our open assistant jobs.

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Unread post by asu66 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:05 am

This is silly. I'm of the opinion that Jim Fox doesn't want and doesn't need our "help" in hiring his staff. In all probability he has been thinking about this for years--preparing, in advance, a list of the guys he'd want to to hire as assistant coaches for his first gig as a head coach. It's known that he has contacts literally all over the world. He's probably already made calls to a small number of folks saying..."will you come work with me if I accept this position?"

I recall that Mack Brown did this before accepting the head football coaching job after Jim Brakefield's retirement. A couple of phone lines were pulled into the old Yosef Club Room in Owens Fieldhouse at Mack's request. He spent five or six hours calling to make sure he could get the assistants he wanted before he agreed to accept the position. On the day he was introduced as our new head coach, Mac already had his assistant coaches lined up and making arrangements to move.
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Unread post by asutrnr81 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:13 am

asu66 wrote:This is silly. I'm of the opinion that Jim Fox doesn't want and doesn't need our "help" in hiring his staff. In all probability he has been thinking about this for years--preparing, in advance, a list of the guys he'd want to to hire as assistant coaches for his first gig as a head coach. It's known that he has contacts literally all over the world. He's probably already made calls to a small number of folks saying..."will you come work with me if I accept this position?"

I recall that Mack Brown did this before accepting the head football coaching job after Jim Brakefield's retirement. A couple of phone lines were pulled into the old Yosef Club Room in Owens Fieldhouse at Mack's request. He spent five or six hours calling to make sure he could get the assistants he wanted before he agreed to accept the position. On the day he was introduced as our new head coach, Mac already had his assistant coaches lined up and making arrangements to move.
Mack had a heck of a staff! One of the best top to bottom ever.....but unfortunately he followed the "coach" whom I never try to mention because at the time there was a bumper sticker saying:....ASU football Ain't Working.

I agree with your assessment of Fox. Most people in that position have a short list of immediate contacts!
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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:46 am

JCline0429 wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
appgrouch wrote:
hbk999 wrote:People who are realistically proposing the idea of McMahon or Fancher don't have much of a sense of pride or timing.....
McMahon has been passed over for this job TWICE, watching people without the resume that he has get the job. Fancher was a relatively successful head coach here, but he was fired by the AD that is still in charge.
Or we have a sense of the men and that they can be the bigger person. Remember that Houston just spent a year as an assistant to Buzz, the man who he was fired for. It would take 5 Cobbs to make a McMahon or a Fancher. I am not saying that he would take it or even consider it, but it would make a great statement about our admin being able to leave the past in the past.

I don't think that it will happen because Cobb won't let it. For Fox to hire Houston or Matt becoming the head coach this time around would be a statement that Cobb was wrong in his choices when it came to coaching moves. That makes it a non started, even if it would be the right/good move.
Pure speculation.
As has been most of this thread as well as the 10 page+ thread previously posted.
No doubt, Captain Obvious. But, there's a difference in speculating about who the assistants will be, and bashing Cobb for something that is pure speculation. :roll:
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Unread post by Budman2154 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:48 am

So let me get this right. Our fearless AD (Mr Cobb) says our next basketball coach will be someone with Head Coaching experience (at some level) and also will have experience in the Sunbelt Conference. He also set it would be a nationwide search and we would cast a broad net. So far, it appears that the only thing that is coming to fruition here is that the search is dragging on and we still have no coach. Once again, sounds eerily similar to Mr. Cobb's last BB hiring. Broad net nationwide search then several days later hire Capel. Have I missed something here?

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