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Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:09 am
by appfanjj
Had to attend a wedding yesterday so didn't make it to Boone. Watched the first quarter of our game on TV. Also had a few people at the wedding comment on the production quality. There are definitely some things that need to be improved upon if any future games are going to be televised.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:13 am
by BeauFoster
I watched the first series online and was fairly pleased. I'm sure a lot of students had a hand in the broadcast, so no surprises on the hiccups, but I'm happy it was available for those who couldn't attend. It will continue to get better, and it will help the students participating learn their craft.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:25 am
by McLeansvilleAppFan
I was going to bring this up myself. Overall a decent first go at it but certainly some areas to improve in.

The major thing I noticed is that the camera was showing some odd views at times. I am not sure if that is on the camera person who was not ready/expecting to be the live camera or on the director that is calling the cuts to each camera as needed and was cutting cameras when the next camera was obviously not ready to pick up the action.

I think the on screen stats could have been a bit better. If a broadcast is going to mess up the screen with a score and timeouts remaining and time left in a quarter then they might as well include down and ytg as well.

If the problems were due to professionals not getting it done right then I would suggest they not be hired back or hired with some provision that they are hired a bit cheaper and a clean production can earn them a bit more pay with an error-free or at least less errors in the production.

If some our students were part of the production and they were using this as a learning experience then I am ok with the problems. Learn and improve the next time.

Free labor then it was fine. If we paid for the labor costs then I am a bit disappointed.

But with that said I am glad it was on TV, and I will take it over not being on TV. The production was not that bad. I thought the App TV spots were well done including the one with the Bio professor and the promo for the RCOE.


1320-AM here in the triad had both the App game on and then was also carrying what seemed to be the national ESPN Radio feed at the same time. I could tune out the ESPN and focus on the App comments but it was like having a conversation in a crowded room. The TV production was not that bad.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:50 am
by appfanjj
The play by play and color guys did a first rate job.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:44 am
by McLeansvilleAppFan
appfanjj wrote:The play by play and color guys did a first rate job.
We paid the tab so a bit of homerism but the right amount in my view. Respectful to Howard in my view while that layed on the good comments to the Apps. Good job with the HOF interviews and overall ,yes a good job.

The big guy was a former App player correct?

I like hearing DJ's call but do prefer video over audio so DJ got the boot when the pre-game ended.

Did three people do the game in the booth or DJ and Brownie only? I did listen for a few minutes while in the car as the first half was coming to an end and it sounded like Brownie.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:59 am
by firemoose
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
appfanjj wrote:The play by play and color guys did a first rate job.
We paid the tab so a bit of homerism but the right amount in my view. Respectful to Howard in my view while that layed on the good comments to the Apps. Good job with the HOF interviews and overall ,yes a good job.

The big guy was a former App player correct?

I like hearing DJ's call but do prefer video over audio so DJ got the boot when the pre-game ended.

Did three people do the game in the booth or DJ and Brownie only? I did listen for a few minutes while in the car as the first half was coming to an end and it sounded like Brownie.
The big guy was former App DT and Hall of Fame member Avery Hall. And Brownie filled in for Wilcox when he was doing his HOF interviews and on field appearances.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:13 pm
by Rick0714
Daniel Wilcox (former App and NFL TE) is the full-time color guy, but Brownie filled in when Wilcox went down to the field to be noticed for his HOF induction. TV color guy was former radio color guy Avery Hall who was an All-American DT at App. Really liked having someone that actually knew about ASU doing the TV broadcast. Video quality was lacking but with students doing most of the work and gaining the experience, it was a fair trade-off. For those of us with kid and work-related activities dang near every Saturday, it was nice to get to see the game.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:41 pm
by spong
I know App State's very own Kelsey Sharkey did the production. Cool to see someone in house leading the production. The App State Rise segment at the end showing training in the rain was pretty cool. The on-field camera-people need some practice particularly practice not dropping the camera.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:20 pm
by AppinATL
My only real complaint is that high camera angle. HATED that. They could at least zoom in a bit. This reminded me of watching game film in HS. Can't they get a camera somewhere closer to the action for that main shot?

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:55 pm
by McLeansvilleAppFan
Kelsey did the editing for the Rise program last week as well, which I thought was well done.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:19 pm
by BUTCH1991
You guys are being too polite. This broadcast was a disaster. Missed the entire pregame due to audio difficulties. Missed the first punt as we heard the announcers say "There's no break", but it went to commercial anyway and then didn't come back until after App's first offensive play was finished. Many times the ball wasn't within sight of the camera and yes, those cameras are way too high. To me, it was no better than watching on the internet, it should have been much better. No where close to HD quality.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:39 pm
by AppDawg
Have not watched more than 5 minutes yet. But immediately noticed it was not in 16:9 format. Also noticable audio difference between broadcast and commercials, with the commercials being mich clearer, crisp/surround sound.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:44 pm
by appchicago
The announcers were great, but the production really wasn't. It looked like it was all being shot on a GoPro, the sound was inconsistent, and it would randomly cut to crowd shots or other filler while there was action on the field. I almost posted about it yesterday, but I didn't want to seem ungrateful. We have a new baby and can't quite make the trip to Boone just yet. I am glad the game was televised, but the quality difference between it and every other game I watched yesterday was significant.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:10 pm
by AppDawg
The pregame show did not occur. Marred with technical
Difficulties. MeTV ended up switching to a black and white sitcom
as filler. At least things were worked out in time for kick-off.

Not meaning to pile on. Definitely appreciate the efforrt and the fact the game is available on TV. At the same time, I know folks from our video and production staff read the board. I view it as constructive criticism.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:03 am
by app97
yeah, the broadcast quality was pretty bad, especially to be shown on a network with a large # of viewers. I do tv work for my local high school, and quite honestly, we normally put that App TV broadcast to shame, using high school students as the crew. we sometimes have hiccups like they did in the first half of the first game. But, there were just bad directorial decisions throughout the broadcast, and obviously lots of crew who appeared to have never covered a game (audio, camera, etc. ) Camera operators need to watch a college game from the point of view of what the cameras/director show and when they show it. Way too many shots from the endzone to begin the play with the goal post in view. Director needs to watch for pacing, as well.. I know that I sound overly critical, but it comes naturally for me, having worked in the industry for years. I can empathize though, having worked with teenagers with zero experience. I suppose I was most disappointed that it might have been App students on the crew. They'll learn quickly, I just wish they weren't learning the ropes in front of a large regional audience. Save that for the in-house/on-campus only broadcasts.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:06 am
by app97
good job with the produced App State commercials, though (probably students produced). The live tv experience is much different than the planning/scripting, production, and post-production of a commercial or other feature.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:16 am
by bh2oson
I feel like I am piling on, but on the golf course Sunday I told the people we got paired up with that I was at the game Saturday. One of them mentioned they had started to watch the game on TV but turned it because they couldn't take looking at it any more. Of course it could have been the score as well. :) I have not seen the production personally but it sounds like there is some improvement needed. I have no doubt it will as they get more opportunities.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:34 pm
by JTApps1
It definitely wasn't the best broadcast in the history of TV, but ESPN wasn't much better when it bagen. There are a ton of moving parts to making a quality broadcast so growing pains are to be expected. They seemed to ger a better handle on it by the 2nd qrt.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:51 pm
by AppinATL
I was at the game, but I re-watched yesterday. My biggest moment of frustration was the interview in the booth with Armanti. His first two or three comments were completely impossible to hear. They had his mike too low and the crowd mikes too high. Armanti is soft spoken anyway and it was a bad moment. What bothered me most was that it went on for a long time before they finally corrected it and its a very simple correction that the sound man should have caught on to right away.

Similarly, nobody was listening to the announcer when he very clearly said two or three times "there's no break" right after the first punt and nobody was listening and went to break anyway and as previously mentioned, we missed our first play from scrimmage.

Hopefully, things were learned and we'll see improvement as the season goes on.

Re: Television broadcast

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:44 am
by clayton
It did get better.

At some point, they figured out replays. The actual video quality got better, too.

The guys in the booth were great and so were the university promos.


The amount of university promos was weird. I don't think I saw a real commercial for something else until halftime. There were also audio only ads at times.

We've got to sell this product better.