Gillin comments on future schedules

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Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:20 pm

Listening to parts of David Jackson guest hosting for David Glenn today, and he had Doug Gillin on a little while ago. Most notable comment to me was that App has been scouting potential neutral site football games in the future, both in terms of locations and opponents. Did not name names, of course, but still, I thought that was cool to hear.

He also said that App would always have six home games per year. Talked about trying to schedule strategically, specifically mentioning playing teams that are in areas we want to recruit.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by appst89 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:08 pm

Six home games is going to be a tough promise to keep if we are also considering neutral site games.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by firemoose » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Would not be surprised to see a neutral site game against ECU in an area both schools recruit. ;)

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:36 pm

appst89 wrote:Six home games is going to be a tough promise to keep if we are also considering neutral site games.
It would be tough, but not impossible. It could be that he's including one of the neutral site games as a "home" game, when we'd technically be considered the home team. Though I'm sure that's not what most of us would hope for. To fit a neutral series in with six true home games, we could use a combination of FCS games and skipping a couple true money games. Here's one hypothetical example of how it could work:

Year 1

@ $ game
NEUTRAL vs. ECU
Home vs. FCS
Home vs. ODU

Year 2

@ ODU
NEUTRAL vs. ECU
Home vs. FCS
Home vs. UNCC

Year 3

@ Wake Forest
@ UNCC
Home vs. FCS
Home vs. Marshall

Year 4

@ $ game
@ Marshall
Home vs. FCS
Home vs. Wake

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:37 pm

firemoose wrote:Would not be surprised to see a neutral site game against ECU in an area both schools recruit. ;)
Now you're just teasing us. He did also talk about being in contact with ECU and working to schedule them in various sports, though he carefully avoided mentioning football specifically.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by asu66 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:57 pm

firemoose wrote:Would not be surprised to see a neutral site game against ECU in an area both schools recruit. ;)
That's the one I'm expecting to materialize first, although it would have been an easier negotiation with Terry Holland than with Jeff Compher. Compher doesn't have much love for us! :roll:
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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppDawg » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:20 pm

Good to hear ECU being talked to. However, count me as a "No" to neutral site games.

Thats for bowl games and or an annual rivalry that is ALWAYS played at the same neutral site.... The cocktail party comes to mind. If ECU wants this and we sign a long term deal - OK.

Otherwise, I do not think we should get in a situation of "Neutral site"/away game series. That is not a home and home arrangement - like lipstick on a pig, its still 2 away games. In my opinion, that does nothing but further the national perception we are a "lesser" institution. Especially if the opponent is from the G5.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by moonshine » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:27 pm

I believe Holland received a lot of flack from ECU fans for championing both App and UNCC as additions to CUSA.

As for future schedules, could App fans stomach a 5 home game schedule if the OOC home game was against a upper level G5/lower-mid level P5 while playing a close by neutral site (say ECU in Charlotte) and money game (at NCSU) along with the 4 conference road games and 2 G5 away games?

-4 home conf
-1 home OOC G5
-1 Neutral against p5/high level G5 in Charlotte or Atlanta
-1 P5 money (in NC, GA, SC, FL or VA)
-4 away conf

or

-4 home conf
-1 home P5 (part of a 2 for 1 with the likes of Vandy/UVA/UK)
-2 away G5
-1 P5 money (USChickens)
-4 away conf

Which P5 programs would you be willing to do a 2 for 1 deal with?
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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:52 pm

He made it very clear there would be 6 HOME games and I took that to mean 6 games in Boone ---
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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppDawg » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:00 pm

I would do a 2 for 1 with any perennial top 25 school from the P5 so long as the 1 is in Boone. By signing Wake, We have demonstrated we should be able to get Home and homes with the likes of UK, Vandy, Uva, NCSU, etc (those P5's not perenially in top 25).

I stand by my prior post, we should never play a G5 at a neutral site. The only instance is if ECU agrees to a long-term annual rivalry game.

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Unread post by moonshine » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:46 pm

Dawg, would you be willing to play G5 Boise St. at a netral site in Atlanta?
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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppDawg » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:59 pm

moonshine wrote:Dawg, would you be willing to play G5 Boise St. at a netral site in Atlanta?
No. They are G5. Call me simplistic, if you want. But, I don't like neutral site games... I can see it now, ESPN is going to start brokering football neutral site "braketbuster" games... They will become a dime a dozen and lose their luster. All great games will be at neutral sites and rarely on-campus unless it happens to be a conference opponent. Its zaps all of the tradition and excitement out of what makes college football so enjoyable.

Outside of my firm belief we shouldn't play a G5 at a neutral site - in your proposed game, I think that would be one empty stadium - think of our B-ball game in charlotte against ECU. Poorly attended for the arena it was played in, but if at either school would have been one heck of an atmosphere.

I simply do not understand the excitement and "want" of some to have a neutral site game. It takes away one of our strengths which is a great home atmosphere, not to mention who knows what the weather will be.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppinVA » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:19 pm

Id be open to two neutral site games against ECU, provided no games on the contract were scheduled to be played in Greenville. I'd be ecstatic.
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Unread post by AppDawg » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:27 pm

AppinVA wrote:Id be open to two neutral site games against ECU, provided no games on the contract were scheduled to be played in Greenville. I'd be ecstatic.
Question: what makes ECU better than Marshall or Wake that they get neutral site treatment and not "home and home?"

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by Gonzo » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:40 pm

I could stomach 5 home games in the same year we'd play ECU at BOA (which I still consider an unlikely scenario for the time being). That's virtually a home game. In fact, I bet we could get a similar amount of fans to BOA for a game against ECU to what we would in Boone. Offer shuttles for our students and you're looking at 35k+ in Black and Gold.

Alas, I'm not holding my breath about that dream scenario.

I agree with Dawg about that being the ONLY G5 neutral site, non-bowl game we should ever consider.

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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:00 pm

I like what I hear from Gillin. He aspires to put us in the big leagues. 6 home games. I have no problem with an appropriate neutral site, I.e. BOA or Georgia Dome with good opponent.

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppinVA » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:09 pm

AppDawg wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Id be open to two neutral site games against ECU, provided no games on the contract were scheduled to be played in Greenville. I'd be ecstatic.
Question: what makes ECU better than Marshall or Wake that they get neutral site treatment and not "home and home?"
Off the top of my head, the same reason the Chapel Hil campus plays the Columbia campus in Charlotte.

Big-time schools do these things, and while we are not an SEC school, we do need to think in those terms where we can. Plus, a recruit from Charlotte can go off to school, but still play in a big game in front of his home folks. That will only help in our recruiting against the Niners. Think if 20,000-25,000, maybe even 30,000 App folks show up in Charlotte and show numbers similar, or even greater to what ECU brings, all the while the Harrisburg campus pulls in a significant lower number for a home game on its campus. If we could show our ability to deliver numbers in the Charlotte market, it might help the next time both schools are up for a spot in another realignment.
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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:16 pm

Or help us posture for a better bowl come post season

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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:27 pm

What about The Chik-fil-a kickoff game

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Re: Gillin comments on future schedules

Unread post by AppDawg » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:32 pm

Off the top of my head, the same reason the Chapel Hil campus plays the Columbia campus in Charlotte.

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I agree with this as I know it has long been Spurrier's goal to create a cocktail party atmosphere with UNC, only UNc won't jump. The intention is it will be an annual rivalry game at a neutral site. The Gator blood in him is jealous of what UGA and Florida have and has desperately been trying to cultivate that for North and South Carolina. For them it makes sense.

That is why I am OK if it is a long term neutral site every year game with ecu. However, I don't think a 1 or 2 off game here and there will do much for us.

Someone earlier said we would fill BOA with at least as much would be at a game in Boone - that is 50% capacity at BOA. Don't see how that would look good to bowl reps when BOA is an in-state locale for both us and ECU.

The reason I am being so vocal is I have sensed (since we announced FBS) there is an undercurrent "we want to play ECU so bad, but they will never come to Boone so let's concede from the start..." They are not Alabama (which by the way, did play at Duke not too long ago)... That said we should try and keep trying. Let's not sell ourselves short. I seem to recall the same thing being said about Marshall and definitely Wake from the mighty ACC. Well look at us now? Both have agreed to home and homes, With Wake of all breaking the ice. The cherry on top is the front end of BOTH series START in Boone! If we had nothing to offer, I think we would be starting these series on the road and/or they would be 2 for 1's.

Another thing I have heard here and read elsewhere is the declining attendance figures of college football games. IMOP one reason for this is most of the marquee games are increasingly moving to neutral sites. Oftentimes, these games are not included in season ticket packages - rather they are open to the public and/or sold like bowl game tickets via point systems. Why buy season tickets and go the "regular" games when you can access tickets via public to the one Marquee game on the calendar? Not saying I would do this, but do think it is a valid consideration many will make. I don't want to sacrifice the excitement on the mountain for a lackluster showing (not necessarily performance on field) but perceptionwise via crowd and marketing on TV simply to strap it up at a 1/2 filled stadium against ECU. I don't think it will help us. What I do think will help is a rabid fanbase that week in and week out fills KBS to standing room only attendance. That will speak louder than a single neutral site game.

I trust our leadership til they give me a reason not to and my hope is they give this close consideration.

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