Never has the MMB sunk lower. First and foremost I realize that the MMB is the message board arm of Yosef's Cabin, so I expect a good bit of drivel here. That is what message boards are known for, it's where they succeed. Rumors, innuendo, and the like all go hand in hand on a message board. But when I took a look at the front page of Yosef's Cabin this morning I find a posting by T-Dog introducing us to Liberty University, much like the introduction/pre-game "blog" post he provides weekly. Except it wasn't. Yes, T-Dog's "blog" postings occasionally offer a smack here or a smack there but I've never viewed one so blatantly slanderous and gregarious as this one.

As many of you know, I do have a connection to Liberty, having went there for a few years in the late 90's/early 2000's, but to post such a completely embarrassing piece on the front page of a site that has become known to many (and most visiting school's fans) as the "official" (even if the site's title says "unofficial") fan mouthpiece of our university is simply unacceptable. From the very beginning it was apparent T-Dog's intent was to rile and ruffle and it only got worse. I noted the cute little warning label at the beginning of the post but a warning to the reader doesn't generally imply that you're about to go spouting off views and stances that are clearly personal.

If T-Dog wanted to post his piece on the message board itself then that would have been fine, embarrassing still, but fine and I would have had no problem with that. But to post it on the front page of Yosef's Cabin, almost as if it was some sort of actual piece of journalism, is ridiculous. Surely I am not the only one that realizes fans of other schools see postings like that and think the following: Can the 18K student, 110K+ alumni strong App State not have a fan writing a front-page blog with a fair and polite take on the subject matter, or at the very least some integrity to present a piece welcoming of our visitors? If I tuned in to Yosef's Cabin for the first time and saw that, ASU fan or not, I wouldn't be back.

Seeing this piece front-and-center makes me think that maybe there is a place out there for a legitimate ASU fan-site, where the message board component does not simply overtake all else, spewing onto the front-page of the site, in appearance and in attitude. Hmmm...

To the moderators and powers-that-be of the MMB, shame on you. I used to think of Yosef's Cabin as a website with a message board feature. From here forward Yosef's Cabin as a news source will struggle to exist, as anything I read on the front-page is to be viewed in a satirical nature and treated entirely as biased fan-speak via the lens of a message board.

There is a reason Appalachian fans are viewed the way we are (outside of our bubble), just as Liberty fans are viewed the way they are. The fact is that both of those outsider appearances are predominately incorrect as the vocal minority does not truly out-weigh the realistic whole. Unfortunately, T-Dog does nothing in his post but lay further claim to the image outsiders have in their minds of the App State fan, which is sad.

I'll leave it at this with one last thought. Looking back I guess I should have just stopped wondering if what I was about to read was an actual informative introduction to Liberty when I immediately came across the word "segreganiost" in the very first paragraph. I'm sure that will now be fixed, as well as the countless other grammatical errors ("sciene" anyone?) but alas should serve as a heads up that anything written by a "T-Dog" is not to be taken with anything other than a satirical chuckle. A "blog" posting indeed, a "blog" posting at best (and worst).

And for those of you who are interested in the battle on the field tomorrow: I'll present a pretty good video take on our team, as viewed from the opposition's sideline, courtesy of LFSN.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm ... 30&TeamID=

To be fair, he did put a disclaimer at the top.

I have friends who went there and even they said it was crazy and didn't really like it.

If a school has been invited on our campus to compete in athletic competition, its team and fans should always be treated with dignity and respect.

I appreciate your pointing it out. I would not have read it otherwise. I guess the truth hurts.

My only response to this is that your ire is misplaced. The mods of the MMB do not have any control over the content posted on the website.

This is one of the main reasons I don't want Liberty in this conference. An accurate account of the school's history and philosophy infuriates too many App fans -- fans who still can't distinguish Liberty University from Christianity itself.

Good grief. Is it Sunday yet? I hope we never play this school in anything ever again.

HkyMountaineer, which of T-Dog's comments/assertions are you challenging? Instead of issuing a diatribe bemoaning the article, why not refute any factual inaccuracies in his piece? If there are no factual inaccuracies, I would remind you that this is NOT a University sponsored website, regardless of how many of our fans (or fans of other schools) visit it. And by the way, as far as grammatical mistakes, I don't think you want to go there. i.e., "having went there" You might also check the meaning of "gregarious."

Appsolutely=BeauFoster's hero

appst89 wrote:My only response to this is that your ire is misplaced. The mods of the MMB do not have any control over the content posted on the website.

Thank you for pointing this out, 89. I was unaware of the level of the mod's involvement. I apologize for including you and the rest of the mods in my statement.

Appsolutely wrote:HkyMountaineer, which of T-Dog's comments/assertions are you challenging? Instead of issuing a diatribe bemoaning the article, why not refute any factual inaccuracies in his piece? If there are no factual inaccuracies, I would remind you that this is NOT a University sponsored website, regardless of how many of our fans (or fans of other schools) visit it. And by the way, as far as grammatical mistakes, I don't think you want to go there. i.e., "having went there" You might also check the meaning of "gregarious."

I was not challenging the actual statements (though I do disagree with a great many of them) rather the placement on the front page of the site. I don't debate religious views, to each his own, but obviously I believe differently than T-Dog, which by default makes many of his statements regarding LU inaccurate. I also realize the site is not university sponsored but I don't believe that means you can check your conscious at the door. As for any grammar: I certainly make mistakes, frequently even, just as everyone else but in regards to "went" and alternate meanings of words...I'll stick by both of those based on my writing classes (note writing as in stylistic writing not necessarily english), my experiences, and my understandings.

conscience*

TDOG.......well done per the usual.

No factual inaccuracies.
This is a FAN board not official in any capacity.
You were kind enough to post a disclaimer.
If you don't like it......don't read it.

Also truly appreciate what you and BigC and Moose and the Mods do to take the time out of your week to bring all us App fans.

AppState wrote:conscience*

Thank you for pointing that out, AppState. Typing, on a phone no less, while wearing neoprene gloves is a bit challenging!

It is a sharp T-Dog dig, with a warning, which does show T-Dogs direction.

Being from Philly i am very used to reading this sort of "in your face" communication. I suggest you go to philly.com to understand what i am used to.

In philly, you are taught to be proud of who you are and where you came from. That means the good, the bad, and the continual ugly ...so i see both sides of t-dogs blog.

In the end, Liberty has many really good people associated with it, some checkered past issues (who doesn't), and overall is following a faith based agenda that needs to look in the mirror like any other cult (religion as t-dog defines it). I am a proud Catholic, so i know of what i speak.

I do believe this game has put an EXTREME amount of pressure on APP State to win, so the pressure is on APP and I will pray for an APP win.

And i will welcome all Liberty fans with respect

HkyMountaineer, I try not to be too anal (hope that word doesn't offend you) about grammar (even though I was an English major and an English instructor for 13 years) but we don't get to make the rules when it comes to grammar: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000217.htm

Also, I believe the word you wanted is "egregious," not "gregarious."

Again, I would never have had anything to say about anybody's message board grammar, but you went there. And since you and I are App grads, I just wanted you to have the correct info.

PhillyApp1 wrote:It is a sharp T-Dog dig, with a warning, which does show T-Dogs direction.

Being from Philly i am very used to reading this sort of "in your face" communication. I suggest you go to philly.com to understand what i am used to.

In philly, you are taught to be proud of who you are and where you came from. That means the good, the bad, and the continual ugly ...so i see both sides of t-dogs blog.

In the end, Liberty has many really good people associated with it, some checkered past issues (who doesn't), and overall is following a faith based agenda that needs to look in the mirror like any other cult (religion as t-dog defines it). I am a proud Catholic, so i know of what i speak.

I do believe this game has put an EXTREME amount of pressure on APP State to win, so the pressure is on APP and I will pray for an APP win.

And i will welcome all Liberty fans with respect

I know what you speak of in regards to Philly. Great deal of history with that part of the country. My ex-wife is from the Philly area, so I'm well-aware of the "in your face"communication style. I'm not the biggest fan (which might explain a good deal about why we are no longer together), though I am anti-PC, so I'm always straddling the fence as to when honest is too honest or holding back is holding back too much for the sake of being nice. Nonetheless, I try to put out a shiny welcome mat, so to speak, for our visiting fans, as is almost always done for me when we travel to watch the Mountaineers play, regardless of the sport.

I also know first-hand the type of welcome we would receive in Lynchburg if the game were held there tomorrow and knowing what kind of reception would await makes me want to put our best foot forward, and leave the religious differences, personal views, etc. out of it, as no one ever truly "wins" those debates. Same rule would apply if we were playing Notre Dame, BYU, Bob Jones, or Pensacola Christian (I know those last two do not play football, or at least I don't think they do). To me that means keeping the smack to a minimum, except with a good-hearted jab or two with football related matters. That also means keeping it off the front-page of your schools pre-imminent fan-site, simply out of good taste.

As for winning tomorrow: we have a GREAT deal of pressure to win tomorrow, regardless of opponent, magnified by Liberty's FCS status and it also being HC. I hope we can really open up the playbook and see a spark out of the guys that seems to have been lacking. And as for your welcoming Liberty fans with respect, thank you. I know they will appreciate it and let it be known around Lynchburg of the polite welcomes received in Boone.

Appsolutely wrote:HkyMountaineer, I try not to be too anal (hope that word doesn't offend you) about grammar (even though I was an English major and an English instructor for 13 years) but we don't get to make the rules when it comes to grammar: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000217.htm

Also, I believe the word you wanted is "egregious," not "gregarious."

Again, I would never have had anything to say about anybody's message board grammar, but you went there. And since you and I are App grads, I just wanted you to have the correct info.

Thank you for your insight. Certainly egregious would work, but I did mean to use the word gregarious, as I believe T-Dog was attempted to appease the anti-Liberty masses on the board. His blog post felt as if it was written to gain acceptance of the board, to secure positive reaction at Liberty's expense. However, I now realize that I should have phrased my thoughts a little better, but it was 6 or 7 in the morning, so I digress.

As for the rules not changing when it comes to grammar, I will have to disagree a bit. When words like "Selfie" begin to appear in the dictionary then I must also come to the realization that grammar rules are also not static but evolving. Stylized writing, for effect, as seen in many publications today, are often incorrect in regards to being grammatically correct (by the letter of the law) but are written as-is to better align with today's reader and vernacular. I know that terribly upsets you (and it does me also, to an extent) as an English instructor but I do believe the rules are changing, for better or worse. Nonetheless, thank you for your professional expertise.

HKY.....did you even read last weeks? He called them Jag Off which is a play on the term Jack Off, he brought up the segregationist past with this:

"The school was chartered by Governor Georgia Wallace, a well-known segregationist who famously stood at the school-house doors at Bama to prevent black students from enrolling. It was Wallace’s belief that Martin Luther King Jr and his followers were communists and integration would ruin the fabric of American society and so forth. Wallace did renounce his segregationist beliefs later as he was more of a populist, who followed the will of the people."
or
"So that’s kind of it. Besides George Wallace, it’s kind of bland. It’s like they’re ashamed of their history or forgot to record most of it."

or how about this passage on Georgia Southern

"It was founded in 1908 as First District Agricultural and Mechanical School. It was founded as a way to teach farmers modern farming techniques like how to use a hoe or not have sex with the livestock. It was also founded to “teach homemaking skills to rural school children”. Yes, they were teaching little country girls how to be proper housewives while their husbands built the house around them.
Apparently teaching these folks how to properly farm and build stuff was too much of a challenge, so about 20 years later the school shifted focus to being a teacher’s college. App State was founded as a Teacher’s College in 1899 so once again, Statesboro was lagging behind."

He doesn't paint any of our opponents in a pretty light, sorry it had to be your beloved Flames this week.

TDOG thanks again for GIVING YOUR ALL FOR APPALACHIAN STATE and not the flames.

HkyMtneer wrote:

Appsolutely wrote:HkyMountaineer, I try not to be too anal (hope that word doesn't offend you) about grammar (even though I was an English major and an English instructor for 13 years) but we don't get to make the rules when it comes to grammar: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000217.htm

Also, I believe the word you wanted is "egregious," not "gregarious."

Again, I would never have had anything to say about anybody's message board grammar, but you went there. And since you and I are App grads, I just wanted you to have the correct info.

Thank you for your insight. Certainly egregious would work, but I did mean to use the word gregarious, as I believe T-Dog was attempted to appease the anti-Liberty masses on the board. His blog post felt as if it was written to gain acceptance of the board, to secure positive reaction at Liberty's expense. However, I now realize that I should have phrased my thoughts a little better, but it was 6 or 7 in the morning, so I digress.

As for the rules not changing when it comes to grammar, I will have to disagree a bit. When words like "Selfie" begin to appear in the dictionary then I must also come to the realization that grammar rules are also not static but evolving. Stylized writing, for effect, as seen in many publications today, are often incorrect in regards to being grammatically correct (by the letter of the law) but are written as-is to better align with today's reader and vernacular. I know that terribly upsets you (and it does me also, to an extent) as an English instructor but I do believe the rules are changing, for better or worse. Nonetheless, thank you for your professional expertise.

Or you could just admit you used the wrong word.If you did mean to use gregarious then it may have been the worst use of the word I have ever seen. Love how you jump on someones grammar as to why they don't have valid points then proceed to make every excuse in the book in this very thread for your own grammatical/spelling issues.

1. I was on a cellphone with gloves on.
2. It was early in the morning.
3. I think grammar is fluid and ever changing.

Think maybe other people are typing early in the morning? Maybe some of them on a cellphone?

Dude its okay to say........oops I F'ed up as opposed to having to defend the indefensible.