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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:41 am

PASSING Cmp-Att-Int Yds TD Long Sack
Jamal Londry-Jackson 16-21-0 205 1 50 2
Kameron Bryant 9-12-0 199 2 73 0
Totals... 25-33-0 404 3 73 2

Does KB continue to come in as he has so far or does he start next week? To be honest I thought the stats would have favored KB more. I would like to know how many drives each one led.
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Re: QB position

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:52 am

In the post game comments by Satterfield, I think we will continue using both. He talked aobut a system like this not working if both QBs are not "unselfish" and commented that we don't want to lose Jamal's experience. He also commented that they both bring different strengths.

Honestly, I know that a 2QB system is risky, but most of the time when I've seen it in the past, it has been two very different styles. JLJ and KB are not as totally different in style as those sytems, and the transition between them seems to be very smooth. I thought that both played very well last night. It was good to see JLJ looking more like his old self.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:02 am

From Tommy Bowman's article today:

"Satterfield said the plan was for both to play, depending on the flow of the game. Asked if that pattern will continue, he said: “We’ll see.”

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Re: QB position

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:08 am

Yosef84 wrote:From Tommy Bowman's article today:

"Satterfield said the plan was for both to play, depending on the flow of the game. Asked if that pattern will continue, he said: “We’ll see.”
The last statement is one reason I asked the question. I don't expect Satterfield to give out game plans, or make an announcement to the press before talking with the players. There did seem to be a spark there when KB was in the game, that I just felt was missing. Though we had some penalties that hurt us when Jamal was in as QB, and we can't blame him for those penalties.
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Re: QB position

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:13 am

There is no doubt that KB has played well. I think he's played very well in all three games. There have been a few mistakes, but definitely a strong showing and a significant net positive. I just got the impression from Satterfield's comments about how they need to be unselfish and not wanting to lose Jamal's experience that we will continue to see a pretty healthy dose of both QB's. No idea what type of rotation pattern and I get the impression that is what is in question.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by AppAttack » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:15 am

Well, we need Jamal's experience and leadership to help win games this year and finish his career on a positive note. He's earned that. Glad to see him getting back to his old self. At the same time, we need to get Kam some experience for next year especially with the move-up. Looking forward to seeing Lamb in the future too. I think we're in pretty good shape at the QB position.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:50 am

Jackson definitely played better in this game than either previous games. However, Bryant seems to "produce" more when he is in the game. It is unquestionable Bryant performed better than Jackson by pure statistics alone in game 1 & 2. In the Elon game, Bryant cranked up the offense in the 2nd qtr and put us in the endzone more often. When Jackson came in in 3rd qtr we went back into a funk, moved the ball but just was not in sync. When Bryant came back in game in 4th, we eventually got rhythm again to score final TD. Yes, I know some of 3rd qtr issues were team and 2nd qtr scores were not JUST Bryant, but what happens is the team seems to work MORE IN SYNC when Bryant is in game. Overall offense seems to run smoother with Bryant. Jackson is the ultimate gamer and team leader but bottomline is Bryant is making the offense PRODUCE more when he is in game.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by IGgreer » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:35 am

I've bashed Jackson pretty hard thru the first 2 games, but I've got no problem with him playing the whole game if he steps up in the pocket and makes good decisions like he did yesterday. Seems like he realized the legs are gone and he needs to change his game.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by T-Dog » Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:40 pm

Kam looked better in passes and productivity, but he did have the two fumbles on consecutive plays in the red zone late. He almost let the game slip before Cox took over.

Yesterday I hated the two QB system when it was happening, but I could warm up to it.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:47 pm

AppAttack wrote:Well, we need Jamal's experience and leadership to help win games this year and finish his career on a positive note. He's earned that. Glad to see him getting back to his old self.
Jamal is invaluable on the team. His leadership on the sidelines was impressive last night. However, anyone who thinks he is "well" is not watching the game. He is not himself, and that is alright, but he is not confident, does not have the same "quickness" and makes up for most of all that with HEART!

But we are not going to be able to give up 2 or 3 possessions against some teams. I think it was clear last night. Kam was willing to take a back seat to JLJ, but when his number was called he played the best. (Regardless of stats).

IF we have found a running game it may be a mute point. North and South running is the ticket to good QB play.....
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Unread post by TurfMonkey » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:51 pm

Coach Satt on the postgame radio, "We're gonna need both of these
kids for us to be successful." That's all I needed to hear.
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Re: QB position

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:27 am

Two QB's give the other team two teams to prepare for. Our O team practices with both and doesn't seem to have a major problem with the switch. The team has to trans to Kam's team next year anyway, so playing two QB's might make the switch more seamless than a hard stop with JLJ. Also if Jamal doesn't get better or starts backsliding I wouldn't doubt that he'd see it and make the call himself.

I think a lot of him (JLJ) being out of sync is the time he had off, and that can come back fairly easy. I think Scott doesn't want to leave the impression that he's that fast to drop someone that's been injured. Plus the best thing for Kam is to work into the position.

Totally just guessing, but I see a lot of positives in what's going on.
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Re: QB position

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:52 pm

Maddog1956 wrote:...I think a lot of him (JLJ) being out of sync is the time he had off, and that can come back fairly easy. I think Scott doesn't want to leave the impression that he's that fast to drop someone that's been injured. ......Totally just guessing, but I see a lot of positives in what's going on.
If we think SS is interested in anything but winning, we are mistaken......(I know I am opening a can of worms). ....and JLJ is NOT back emotionally or physically from the injury and neither is RGIII...so it is not unusual!

There are a lot of positives....the most important of which is SS got his first win!
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Re: QB position

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:31 pm

Here is another way to ask the question, "Who gives us the most UPSIDE?" As a senior with lots of game experience, do you think Jackson is going to raise his game anymore? As a Sophmore with limited real game experience, do you think Bryant is going to raise his game anymore?

Ok, now which choice do you make for the future of the program?

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Re: QB position

Unread post by Goapps15 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:39 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:Here is another way to ask the question, "Who gives us the most UPSIDE?" As a senior with lots of game experience, do you think Jackson is going to raise his game anymore? As a Sophmore with limited real game experience, do you think Bryant is going to raise his game anymore?

Ok, now which choice do you make for the future of the program?
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I believe a healthy Jamal is better but I do not think he will be healthy without significant time off. That being said I think we are better playing both QB's and whoever has the hot hand plays the crucial points in a game. Kam is a better thrower at this moment and has the ability to run. Jamal is still gimping around everytime he runs which is to be expected 8 months after ACL injury.

Kam has more upside because he is going to be the guy going forward into next year. I attended the game Saturday and will say that Kam looked better. Jamal improved but he's still not stepping into his throws and isn't trusting his receivers as a result of that. Not bashing JLJ because it's not his fault.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:40 am

"by asutrnr81 » September 23rd, 2013, 4:52 pm

If we think SS is interested in anything but winning, we are mistaken"

I have to totally disagree with you here - Yes, he wants to win - no question - but to me the absolute most important thing for him this season is TO HAVE THE TEAM WITH HIM - TOTALLY BOUGHT IN - THRU THE LAST PLAY OF THE LAST GAME THIS SEASON - regardless of the final record - this is the year to build a solid foundation for the future and a nice looking record would be helpful but the attitude and mindset and commitment of the staff and players is the most important moving forward - not the final W-L ---
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Re: QB position

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:14 am

AtlAppMan wrote:Here is another way to ask the question, "Who gives us the most UPSIDE?" As a senior with lots of game experience, do you think Jackson is going to raise his game anymore? As a Sophmore with limited real game experience, do you think Bryant is going to raise his game anymore?

Ok, now which choice do you make for the future of the program?

I'm guess the answer you're looking for is Kam, and I would say that Kam is the future and JlJ is the past. I think that's a moot point. I think the question is "how" do you bring him in? And does JLJ have some good games left in him? Should Kam have the whole weight of the game on him yet? How many time have we seen promising QB not really live up to their potential and the question always is, "were they put in too fast"? The offense showed a little promise, and the QB's issue doesn't really seem to be a negative at this time. So while it's working, I'd say let's don't try to fix it.
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Re: QB position

Unread post by rbarthle17 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 am

I usually don't like 2-QB situations, but this season might be an exception.

Bryant is the future, but Jackson is a senior. This season means very little in the grand scheme of things other than playing for pride. The future is more important, and getting Bryant a lot of game reps is critical. But on the same note, Jackson deserves a shot at a senior season, as crippled as it may be.

So play both for a half the rest of the way. Jackson's not a pro prospect in my eyes, he's not being diminished by this, but let him start every game as the senior. Bryant has shown enough so far to be a potential star on our team for two more years, so let him get the late game situations that will be vital to his growth. Everyone gets something out of this, and the long term future of this program is served well, which is the higher importance.

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Re: QB position

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:06 am

rbarthle17 wrote:I usually don't like 2-QB situations, but this season might be an exception.

Bryant is the future, but Jackson is a senior. This season means very little in the grand scheme of things other than playing for pride. The future is more important, and getting Bryant a lot of game reps is critical. But on the same note, Jackson deserves a shot at a senior season, as crippled as it may be.

So play both for a half the rest of the way. Jackson's not a pro prospect in my eyes, he's not being diminished by this, but let him start every game as the senior. Bryant has shown enough so far to be a potential star on our team for two more years, so let him get the late game situations that will be vital to his growth. Everyone gets something out of this, and the long term future of this program is served well, which is the higher importance.
I agree, like I said before, if Bryant starts dominating the position I can't see Jackson standing in his way. I think that he would start seeking less playing time, since I think you're right he's not looking for a Pro position. In the meantime Bryant is getting his feet wet and learning. When he's not playing he should be watching. Also other teams have to plan for two QB's, and really if one gets hurt against GA we're not totally dead meat.

I'm usually not in favor of the two QB team either, but mostly because it's a situation to find who's really going to be "THE" QB into the future. In our case, everyone knows what the cards hold for next year.
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