I don't subscribe to the ESPN plus deal. I pay for the TV thing but maybe not the articles. At any rate has anyone read that (useless article and ranking) and seen where we are slotted? Just curious as I hope we prove someone wrong. I'm sure we are picked somewhere around that .500 group probably around 75th.

Sickening what has happened to this program under clark. So sad

https://www.espn.com/college-football/i ... atform=amp

“Tier 11: They're frisky enough to pull a surprise (13 teams)

Air Force
Appalachian State
Army
Coastal Carolina
FAU
Fresno State
Georgia Southern
James Madison
Marshall
North Texas
Ohio
San Diego State
Western Kentucky

Bill Connelly's SP+ rankings have North Texas ranked just behind Rutgers and just ahead of Liberty, which feels both way off and possibly accurate. It's hard to know what to expect from this team, which took UTSA and Boise State to the wire last year, beat Western Kentucky and topped 30 points eight times. But the Mean Green also were blown out by SMU, UNLV and UAB. They'll open the season with Stone Earle at QB, though, and it's destiny for North Texas to have a QB1 who sounds like he leads a killer blues band on his off days.

Austin Reed threw for 4,700 yards and 40 touchdowns last season, and he might challenge Bailey Zappe's single-season TD record.

App State lost six games last year -- by two points, four, 12, seven, seven and three. In other words, the Mountaineers used up all their mojo in the first three weeks. A new season should bring some better luck.

Here are the QBs who had 3,000 pass yards, 25 pass TDs and five or fewer interceptions last season returning for 2023: USC's Caleb Williams, Florida State's Jordan Travis, Tulane's Michael Pratt and Ohio's Kurtis Rourke. On the other side of the ball, Ohio didn't allow an opponent to score more than 27 after Week 6 last season.

Georgia Southern beat Nebraska, which seemed good at the time but, as we later learned, doomed the Eagles' season because Nebraska passed along its bad vibes like some type of monkey's paw curse. Clay Helton did, however, implement a legitimately modern offense at a place built upon the triple option, and Year 2 should come with some intriguing upside.

Tom Herman recruited Casey Thompson to Texas. Neither coach nor QB worked out well, but they are reunited now at FAU. What are the odds the Owls win more games than Texas this season?

No team had a higher successful play rate on defense last season than JMU.

No. 2 on that list? Marshall.”

How many tiers are there? Man we have been given a big reality sandwich. A couple of years ago we were a legit top 50 (at least) program. Let's prove some people wrong.

Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 6:56 am

How many tiers are there? Man we have been given a big reality sandwich. A couple of years ago we were a legit top 50 (at least) program. Let's prove some people wrong.

The final tier. A couple tiers only have 1 team in it thought.

“Tier 20: Told you it could be worse (nine teams)

Akron
Charlotte
FIU
Hawai'i
Kent State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Texas State
UMass”

20 total tiers. So we are middle of pack as is most of the sunbelt. I think there was not enough thought into this list to get upset about

Toledo at tier 9 and Liberty Tier 10 ahead of App at Tier 11? Clearly this is based off of what have you done lately and not over the past few years. Either way, this stuff means nothing, but sure hope it fuels this team.

I'm sure that whoever put this together only really cared about 20 or so teams. Once it reached around tier 10 it probably became a joke. As long as we avoid that bottom 10 thing and the crappy tiers we will be fine. Just win and move up.

What we did 3, 5, 10 years ago doesn't matter. We are not a pro franchise with multi year contracted workers. Our roster, as is with others, is quite a bit more fluid. These rankings are accurate based on what we did last year and that's all that matters. We've got a lot of ground to cover before we matter again.

I'm ready for a triple Ryan Cheese burger all the way.

AppSt12 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 6:26 am

Sickening what has happened to this program under clark. So sad

Go find another team and another coach to bitch about ---

AppSt12 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 6:26 am

Sickening what has happened to this program under clark. So sad

I’ll be the first to admit I was bashing Clark a lot on this board last season, along with you. I’m not a Clark truther by any means but I understand more things now that I didn’t before. I still believe he will succeed here. I think it’s sickening to see wishy washy fans continue to be negative despite all of the time and commitment that is put in by everyone to put a product on the field that pleases you. That’s actually so sad.

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:14 am

Toledo at tier 9 and Liberty Tier 10 ahead of App at Tier 11? Clearly this is based off of what have you done lately and not over the past few years. Either way, this stuff means nothing, but sure hope it fuels this team.

The tiers are based on how the writers think these teams will fare THIS season, not overall program rankings or anything. I read the whole article and think their assessment of App was fair. Troy and USA are the media's pick from the Sun Belt this year, so App, Marshall, Coastal, JMU, and Southern are relegated to the tier just below that. Honestly, I think it's a fine assessment based on App's performance last year. Hopefully, we prove them wrong and separate App from the rest of the Sun Belt/G5.

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:26 am

AppSt12 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 6:26 am

Sickening what has happened to this program under clark. So sad

I’ll be the first to admit I was bashing Clark a lot on this board last season, along with you. I’m not a Clark truther by any means but I understand more things now that I didn’t before. I still believe he will succeed here. I think it’s sickening to see wishy washy fans continue to be negative despite all of the time and commitment that is put in by everyone to put a product on the field that pleases you. That’s actually so sad.

Totally agree. Before last season on another thread I asked what would happen if we dipped below a 10 win season. I predicted a meltdown amongst many unrealistic and probably delusional fans. If we run off 3 years or more of .500 type teams then we have a huge problem. One down year isn't a trend.

I know we lost the bowl game the year before and got our butts handed to us by La.

MrCraig wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:37 am

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:14 am

Toledo at tier 9 and Liberty Tier 10 ahead of App at Tier 11? Clearly this is based off of what have you done lately and not over the past few years. Either way, this stuff means nothing, but sure hope it fuels this team.

The tiers are based on how the writers think these teams will fare THIS season, not overall program rankings or anything. I read the whole article and think their assessment of App was fair. Troy and USA are the media's pick from the Sun Belt this year, so App, Marshall, Coastal, JMU, and Southern are relegated to the tier just below that. Honestly, I think it's a fine assessment based on App's performance last year. Hopefully, we prove them wrong and separate App from the rest of the Sun Belt/G5.

I hear you. I still am of the thought process that last year was an anomaly and we are right back in the world of well above average this year. Clearly the prognosticators think otherwise. Looking forward to these guys proving them wrong. Put this team head to head against Toledo and I still say we win. I know, I'm a homer.

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:53 am

MrCraig wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:37 am

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:14 am

Toledo at tier 9 and Liberty Tier 10 ahead of App at Tier 11? Clearly this is based off of what have you done lately and not over the past few years. Either way, this stuff means nothing, but sure hope it fuels this team.

The tiers are based on how the writers think these teams will fare THIS season, not overall program rankings or anything. I read the whole article and think their assessment of App was fair. Troy and USA are the media's pick from the Sun Belt this year, so App, Marshall, Coastal, JMU, and Southern are relegated to the tier just below that. Honestly, I think it's a fine assessment based on App's performance last year. Hopefully, we prove them wrong and separate App from the rest of the Sun Belt/G5.

I hear you. I still am of the thought process that last year was an anomaly and we are right back in the world of well above average this year. Clearly the prognosticators think otherwise. Looking forward to these guys proving them wrong. Put this team head to head against Toledo and I still say we win. I know, I'm a homer.

I hope you're right. I'm cautiously optimistic. I know the team and coaches didn't like what happened last season. The question becomes, "do they know how to fix it?"
Nothing would make me happier to see App kick everybody in the teeth this year.

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:53 am

MrCraig wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:37 am

AppDub wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:14 am

Toledo at tier 9 and Liberty Tier 10 ahead of App at Tier 11? Clearly this is based off of what have you done lately and not over the past few years. Either way, this stuff means nothing, but sure hope it fuels this team.

The tiers are based on how the writers think these teams will fare THIS season, not overall program rankings or anything. I read the whole article and think their assessment of App was fair. Troy and USA are the media's pick from the Sun Belt this year, so App, Marshall, Coastal, JMU, and Southern are relegated to the tier just below that. Honestly, I think it's a fine assessment based on App's performance last year. Hopefully, we prove them wrong and separate App from the rest of the Sun Belt/G5.

I hear you. I still am of the thought process that last year was an anomaly and we are right back in the world of well above average this year. Clearly the prognosticators think otherwise. Looking forward to these guys proving them wrong. Put this team head to head against Toledo and I still say we win. I know, I'm a homer.

The Mighty Toledo-eans do not want a piece of Yosef. App. St. by 50 eight days a week and twice in Sunday

We gonna bring out the tears on SunBelt babeeeeeeee!!!