Article saying NIL is only one issue facing NCAA
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:14 pm
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I hope you are joking because if not our compliance officer was messing with you or doesn’t know anything.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:49 pmYep...pay the athletes. Yet according to our compliance officer (whom I checked with a couple years ago on this scenario) I can't buy a meal for a former player and his wife even after he'd graduated 3 years earlier.
If that has changed due to NIL I'm eager for someone to let me know.
I repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:03 amI hope you are joking because if not our compliance officer was messing with you or doesn’t know anything.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:49 pmYep...pay the athletes. Yet according to our compliance officer (whom I checked with a couple years ago on this scenario) I can't buy a meal for a former player and his wife even after he'd graduated 3 years earlier.
If that has changed due to NIL I'm eager for someone to let me know.
They are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:29 pmI repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:03 amI hope you are joking because if not our compliance officer was messing with you or doesn’t know anything.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:49 pmYep...pay the athletes. Yet according to our compliance officer (whom I checked with a couple years ago on this scenario) I can't buy a meal for a former player and his wife even after he'd graduated 3 years earlier.
If that has changed due to NIL I'm eager for someone to let me know.
Hmmm, a person calling someone else ignorant is typically the ignorant one themselves in some other capacity. Our athletics department, ticket office, and others associated with the ticket office are doing the best they can with the funding they have....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:12 pmThey are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:29 pmI repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:03 amI hope you are joking because if not our compliance officer was messing with you or doesn’t know anything.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:49 pmYep...pay the athletes. Yet according to our compliance officer (whom I checked with a couple years ago on this scenario) I can't buy a meal for a former player and his wife even after he'd graduated 3 years earlier.
If that has changed due to NIL I'm eager for someone to let me know.
I know this because agents were always legally allowed to sign and pay players once their last game was done. The rules end in that relationship once their last game is completed.
It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department. It just shows how HS scouting, weight room development, and good coaching on field can overcome a lot.
That's how I feel that once graduated there no longer the "student athlete/booster" relationship. Not being a NCAA rules expert (not that I wanted to be) I took it at face value.
That is a very obvious statement to make. We all are ignorant about something. There is a subject you are ignorant about as well as me but the issue here is these people make their living to supposedly know those rules and give the proper information but they did not. There are people in every field of work who are lazy or do a bad job and football is not immune to that.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:05 amHmmm, a person calling someone else ignorant is typically the ignorant one themselves in some other capacity. Our athletics department, ticket office, and others associated with the ticket office are doing the best they can with the funding they have....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:12 pmThey are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:29 pmI repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:03 amI hope you are joking because if not our compliance officer was messing with you or doesn’t know anything.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:49 pmYep...pay the athletes. Yet according to our compliance officer (whom I checked with a couple years ago on this scenario) I can't buy a meal for a former player and his wife even after he'd graduated 3 years earlier.
If that has changed due to NIL I'm eager for someone to let me know.
I know this because agents were always legally allowed to sign and pay players once their last game was done. The rules end in that relationship once their last game is completed.
It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department. It just shows how HS scouting, weight room development, and good coaching on field can overcome a lot.
I could care less about this particular issue per se. It is the statement you made about labeling folks in a certain part of the athletics Dept ignorant. You can justify the statement all you want and refer to others that may have made comments, etc. I just think it is ignorant to make that statement about folks working hard in the dept. Please feel free to reply with another, as usual and useless, war and peace length response.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:48 amThat is a very obvious statement to make. We all are ignorant about something. There is a subject you are ignorant about as well as me but the issue here is these people make their living to supposedly know those rules and give the proper information but they did not. There are people in every field of work who are lazy or do a bad job and football is not immune to that.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:05 amHmmm, a person calling someone else ignorant is typically the ignorant one themselves in some other capacity. Our athletics department, ticket office, and others associated with the ticket office are doing the best they can with the funding they have....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:12 pmThey are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:29 pmI repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?
I know this because agents were always legally allowed to sign and pay players once their last game was done. The rules end in that relationship once their last game is completed.
It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department. It just shows how HS scouting, weight room development, and good coaching on field can overcome a lot.
2 questions for you. If you buy a meal for John Settle today then... 1 Will the NCAA really care? 2. Who are they going to punish? Even if they are right about it technically the NCAA was never going to enforce that. Just because I was a NCAA eligible prospect in high school or played in college does not mean rules apply to me as one at 30, 40, 50, or 60 years old well after I graduated.
I have looked the issue up and according to the NCAA website a booster, or someone who is a rep of a school's athletic interest, is always one but obviously a player finishes their college career and the roles change. It is not illegal for a booster to buy another booster a meal, even if one of them use to play in college, and it never could be. It would not make sense.
To your statement about our people all doing the best they can all the time then you must not have dealt with every department or person. Go read the 247 board and you will hear so many issues that our season-ticket holders have had simply due to some laziness or bad policy by some in our athletics department. We have some great people but we have had and still have some people who are lazy and don't do their best. I would encourage you to subscribe to 247 and just read about some of the issues people have had with their tickets and other things.
Exactly. Get the right information and be accurate. Do your best.
I simply had a few points to make. I also never called out entire departments but said we have some in general who don't put in the time to give accurate info because that person was wrong. They should have made the effort to give our boosters correct info. That is literally part of their job. Even if they were right, the NCAA would never enforced it anyway.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:02 amI could care less about this particular issue per se. It is the statement you made about labeling folks in a certain part of the athletics Dept ignorant. You can justify the statement all you want and refer to others that may have made comments, etc. I just think it is ignorant to make that statement about folks working hard in the dept. Please feel free to reply with another, as usual and useless, war and peace length response.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:48 amThat is a very obvious statement to make. We all are ignorant about something. There is a subject you are ignorant about as well as me but the issue here is these people make their living to supposedly know those rules and give the proper information but they did not. There are people in every field of work who are lazy or do a bad job and football is not immune to that.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:05 amHmmm, a person calling someone else ignorant is typically the ignorant one themselves in some other capacity. Our athletics department, ticket office, and others associated with the ticket office are doing the best they can with the funding they have....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:12 pmThey are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.scatman77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:29 pm
I repeated the scenario and got the same answer and reiterating "once a booster always a booster." I know that NCAA ruling but I still don't see how it pertained to a former player who's already graduated. Of course who would know what I did, if it's still true?
I know this because agents were always legally allowed to sign and pay players once their last game was done. The rules end in that relationship once their last game is completed.
It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department. It just shows how HS scouting, weight room development, and good coaching on field can overcome a lot.
2 questions for you. If you buy a meal for John Settle today then... 1 Will the NCAA really care? 2. Who are they going to punish? Even if they are right about it technically the NCAA was never going to enforce that. Just because I was a NCAA eligible prospect in high school or played in college does not mean rules apply to me as one at 30, 40, 50, or 60 years old well after I graduated.
I have looked the issue up and according to the NCAA website a booster, or someone who is a rep of a school's athletic interest, is always one but obviously a player finishes their college career and the roles change. It is not illegal for a booster to buy another booster a meal, even if one of them use to play in college, and it never could be. It would not make sense.
To your statement about our people all doing the best they can all the time then you must not have dealt with every department or person. Go read the 247 board and you will hear so many issues that our season-ticket holders have had simply due to some laziness or bad policy by some in our athletics department. We have some great people but we have had and still have some people who are lazy and don't do their best. I would encourage you to subscribe to 247 and just read about some of the issues people have had with their tickets and other things.
I still think it was technically against the rules but in reality who is going to rat on you when you pay for the whole table? lol It definitely makes it safer.
"It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department." This is your exact quote. You said with "all the dumb people we have in our athletic department" I could care less about this particular issue or what the topic was about. Calling people in our athletic dept "dumb" pretty poor taste. Like I said, I could care less about the topic at hand. Getting on a message board and calling them "dumb" is poor taste and somewhat unintelligent comment within itself. If the athletic dept employees are not doing their job to the best of the abilities, people should give feedback to their direct reports, etc. getting on a message board ....and an App St. related message board, and calling them dumb...is sad. if you do not see that, I got nothing else for you..AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:20 pmI simply had a few points to make. I also never called out entire departments but said we have some in general who don't put in the time to give accurate info because that person was wrong. They should have made the effort to give our boosters correct info. That is literally part of their job. Even if they were right, the NCAA would never enforced it anyway.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:02 amI could care less about this particular issue per se. It is the statement you made about labeling folks in a certain part of the athletics Dept ignorant. You can justify the statement all you want and refer to others that may have made comments, etc. I just think it is ignorant to make that statement about folks working hard in the dept. Please feel free to reply with another, as usual and useless, war and peace length response.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:48 amThat is a very obvious statement to make. We all are ignorant about something. There is a subject you are ignorant about as well as me but the issue here is these people make their living to supposedly know those rules and give the proper information but they did not. There are people in every field of work who are lazy or do a bad job and football is not immune to that.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:05 amHmmm, a person calling someone else ignorant is typically the ignorant one themselves in some other capacity. Our athletics department, ticket office, and others associated with the ticket office are doing the best they can with the funding they have....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:12 pm
They are wrong. That player is now an alumni and could be booster themselves. They aren’t prospects or a college player forever.
I know this because agents were always legally allowed to sign and pay players once their last game was done. The rules end in that relationship once their last game is completed.
It is really amazing at our success on the field with all the dumb people we have had in our athletics department. It just shows how HS scouting, weight room development, and good coaching on field can overcome a lot.
2 questions for you. If you buy a meal for John Settle today then... 1 Will the NCAA really care? 2. Who are they going to punish? Even if they are right about it technically the NCAA was never going to enforce that. Just because I was a NCAA eligible prospect in high school or played in college does not mean rules apply to me as one at 30, 40, 50, or 60 years old well after I graduated.
I have looked the issue up and according to the NCAA website a booster, or someone who is a rep of a school's athletic interest, is always one but obviously a player finishes their college career and the roles change. It is not illegal for a booster to buy another booster a meal, even if one of them use to play in college, and it never could be. It would not make sense.
To your statement about our people all doing the best they can all the time then you must not have dealt with every department or person. Go read the 247 board and you will hear so many issues that our season-ticket holders have had simply due to some laziness or bad policy by some in our athletics department. We have some great people but we have had and still have some people who are lazy and don't do their best. I would encourage you to subscribe to 247 and just read about some of the issues people have had with their tickets and other things.