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Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
by appvette
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:25 pm
by BambooRdApp
appvette wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
The 32 would have been somewhat lower if Wis and WF would have remained on schedule and Campbell never made it to the schedule IMO.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:31 pm
by t4pizza
There is no sugar coating this one. It was a bad hire of a coach on a downward career trajectory and it must be fixed soon. I really do hate calling for jobs but we need to fire our OC as soon as the season is over and get someone that can improve our play.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:33 pm
by appvette
Tbatchelor1977 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:25 pm
appvette wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
The 32 would have been somewhat lower if Wis and WF would have remained on schedule and Campbell never made it to the schedule IMO.
I thought the same thing but Marshall probably has a better defense than both of those teams and our SOS is on par with other years.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
by yosef69
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:44 pm
by Neer86
aapreciate the research, OP. I posed this on another thread last week, but I was reading the ECU board (our first opponent next year) and they were wondering why App had 3 losses this year.
Someone said they just hired Petersen as their OC.
They all immediately said they understood, and most said they felt like they'd beat us next year. Nobody over there had hope of beating us before that.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:46 pm
by BallantyneApp
appvette wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
Woof, and I was having a good day.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
by WVAPPeer
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm
by yosef69
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
It’s not a shot at WV, so I apologize if you took it that way.
Clark has said in an interview that tony was a local WV legend as a player when Clark was playing, I believe. So my comment was to say that this hire was made because they were buddies due to proximity. Nothing to do with the state, just where they were from.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:29 pm
by Appstate88
Let TP go after a bowl loss. Give him one more year if we win out. If Clark changes him out this year or next...Hope he decides to call the plays himself, hire a special teams coach and bring Taylor Lamb in to coach QBs. TL could eventually be our next Satt.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:32 pm
by The Rock
I was skeptical of this hire. I still am, but before we resign the fact that this is a definite trend here at App, let remember this years challenges.
1) new staff. This is this staff’s first year together.
2) COVID.- this ties in to #1, interruptions or shortened spring and fall camps due to COVID could definitely effect how the staff gels, calls a game, Coach’s assessments of talent/personnel, and how that talent picks up the new staffs playbook.
3) injuries- out offense has been decimated due to revolving injuries. Our top WR opts out before the season, hennigan has been 50%at best for the last 4-5 games, our starting TE was out for several games leaving a severe drop off between #1 spot and spots 2-4 who have also gone down to injuries. 2 promising but freshman WRs getting lots of playing time, daetrich Harrington going down for be season, Marcus Williams jr being off the field most of the time.
Being a senior heavy team is great this year when you are healthy, but when this seniors get injured, their backups have little to no snaps under their belt; another thing we will have to remember next year.
I am not saying TP is the next Lincoln Riley or Joe Brady, and I was/am unsure about his long term success here, but there are a lot of factors working against him this year. In our 3 losses, we were in position to win them all and moved the ball before turnovers killed us. A former walk-on TE fumbles on goal line, ZT throws unexplainable interceptions, RBs can’t seem to hold on to the ball, missed FGs, an Oline that suddenly forgets how to pass protect are all execution mistakes that I’m not sure can be blamed on the OC.
Throwing 2 fades at the end of the UL game... totally on him
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:55 pm
by appdaze
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
Calm down, we all know everyone is related up there, but don't take offense. He was trying to be nice just calling it nepotism.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:57 pm
by WVAPPeer
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
It’s not a shot at WV, so I apologize if you took it that way.
Clark has said in an interview that tony was a local WV legend as a player when Clark was playing, I believe. So my comment was to say that this hire was made because they were buddies due to proximity. Nothing to do with the state, just where they were from.
No problem - no I didn't take it as a shot at the state at all - i just never had heard that they had any close ties or association between the two nor that Coach Clark had much association with Marshall -
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:02 pm
by mike87
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:57 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
It’s not a shot at WV, so I apologize if you took it that way.
Clark has said in an interview that tony was a local WV legend as a player when Clark was playing, I believe. So my comment was to say that this hire was made because they were buddies due to proximity. Nothing to do with the state, just where they were from.
No problem - no I didn't take it as a shot at the state at all - i just never had heard that they had any close ties or association between the two nor that Coach Clark had much association with Marshall -
I thought you were saying his family tree has no branch's.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:06 pm
by Saint3333
That was a redundant statement ;-).
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:58 pm
by AppDub
Tbatchelor1977 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:25 pm
appvette wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
The 32 would have been somewhat lower if Wis and WF would have remained on schedule and Campbell never made it to the schedule IMO.
Excellent point right here!
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:46 pm
by mountaineerman
appvette wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:22 pm
I posted this over on the BGP 333 group and thought you all might be interested in seeing it.
Tony Petersen was offensive coordinator at 3 peer G5 schools from 2010 - 2018. He spent 3 years each at Marshall (2010-2012), LA Tech (2013-2015), and ECU (2016-2018). I looked up the teams' Points Per Game during his tenure at each as well as the 2 years prior and 2 years after the TP era to see how he affected each program.
1. At all 3 places, PPG dropped the year he joined and then rose the year after he left.
2. The average PPG at all three schools during his tenure was 28.33 whereas the average in the 2 years prior and 2 years after was 33.76.
3. Our PPG has gone 33, 37, 39, 32 with that last one being this year. That's not a terrible number but it is obviously a drop from our average of 35 PPG since 2015.
Riley was our #1 choice for OC but was stolen away by SMU. I'll let you be the judge on TP's performance before and during his tenure at App.
Whoa.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:32 pm
by app97
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
It’s not a shot at WV, so I apologize if you took it that way.
Clark has said in an interview that tony was a local WV legend as a player when Clark was playing, I believe. So my comment was to say that this hire was made because they were buddies due to proximity. Nothing to do with the state, just where they were from.
I too noticed what appeared to be good ole boy WV hires right away. Not only TP, but also the RB/ST coach and the safeties coach are WV natives, although the Debastiani hire was probably due to the fact he coached at App for a few years when Clark played here. We shall see how they pan out.
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:26 am
by The Rock
app97 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:32 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:18 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Hate to say if, but his hire was always dumb and stunk of West Virginia nepotism.
As I’ve said before, his career had declined so far that he was going to be an analyst at Mizzou this season. Not even a position coach. An analyst. And we gave him the keys to a once great offense.
Care to explain your initial comment?
It’s not a shot at WV, so I apologize if you took it that way.
Clark has said in an interview that tony was a local WV legend as a player when Clark was playing, I believe. So my comment was to say that this hire was made because they were buddies due to proximity. Nothing to do with the state, just where they were from.
I too noticed what appeared to be good ole boy WV hires right away. Not only TP, but also the RB/ST coach and the safeties coach are WV natives, although the Debastiani hire was probably due to the fact he coached at App for a few years when Clark played here. We shall see how they pan out.
I don’t think Haines was hired because he was from WV. He was hired because Ohio consistently had great special teams play, and Clark wanted to put an emphasis of that aspect of the game and couldn’t devote a full time position to it like drink did. Clark is a smart guy and I really don’t think anyone is getting a job based solely on the state they are from. TP may not have been his first choice. Maybe it was like when drink filled up his staff, and several of the 1st choices got picked up by other programs
Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:18 am
by appstanding
The Rock wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:32 pm
I was skeptical of this hire. I still am, but before we resign the fact that this is a definite trend here at App, let remember this years challenges.
1) new staff. This is this staff’s first year together.
2) COVID.- this ties in to #1, interruptions or shortened spring and fall camps due to COVID could definitely effect how the staff gels, calls a game, Coach’s assessments of talent/personnel, and how that talent picks up the new staffs playbook.
3) injuries- out offense has been decimated due to revolving injuries. Our top WR opts out before the season, hennigan has been 50%at best for the last 4-5 games, our starting TE was out for several games leaving a severe drop off between #1 spot and spots 2-4 who have also gone down to injuries. 2 promising but freshman WRs getting lots of playing time, daetrich Harrington going down for be season, Marcus Williams jr being off the field most of the time.
Being a senior heavy team is great this year when you are healthy, but when this seniors get injured, their backups have little to no snaps under their belt; another thing we will have to remember next year.
I am not saying TP is the next Lincoln Riley or Joe Brady, and I was/am unsure about his long term success here, but there are a lot of factors working against him this year. In our 3 losses, we were in position to win them all and moved the ball before turnovers killed us. A former walk-on TE fumbles on goal line, ZT throws unexplainable interceptions, RBs can’t seem to hold on to the ball, missed FGs, an Oline that suddenly forgets how to pass protect are all execution mistakes that I’m not sure can be blamed on the OC.
Throwing 2 fades at the end of the UL game... totally on him
I don't buy any of these excuses. Peterson has had time to show us what he can do with that offense. As others have pointed out, his career track record has been mediocre at best. It's plain that even with largely similar personnel this is not the same efficient, disciplined offense App had last year and I put that on the coaching staff. Every team has had to deal with COVID. Good teams experience injuries and overcome. Teams with new coaching staffs can have great seasons too (Drinkwitz & company for instance).
If Peterson stays, I predict more of the same. We'll beat a number of inferior opponents and lose to stronger teams in our conference and out of conference.