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PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:33 pm
by Appstrong
Not sure a lot of people will agree with this, but our OL must be grading well this season to be top 10. Reading the comments of the thread and a lot of Bama fans are butt hurt by their ranking. Somebody needs to tell them they will not always be 1st in everything.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
by NavyApp
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:08 pm
by AppStFan1
Appstrong wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:33 pm
Not sure a lot of people will agree with this, but our OL must be grading well this season to be top 10. Reading the comments of the thread and a lot of Bama fans are butt hurt by their ranking. Somebody needs to tell them they will not always be 1st in everything.
I would put zero stock in PFF. It is seriously not even worth reading. You see all the hype behind them but what is their record? How good are they? Well, in 2020 they were next to last of all websites covering the draft in projecting the picks. PFF is the 2nd worst in all of the internet landscape. Want proof? Below is a link to their results.
https://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100.scores.shtml
Seriously, I hope our OL, Jolly, and others realize that their awards and ratings mean nothing. They are stat driven and done by data nerds with no football experience. Yes, they have Collinsworth running it and a couple former players listed at the top to give credibility but those doing the actual data and ratings are nerds who never played the game and just go by stats.
The one thing that PFF does well is the tools they have to quickly help professionals sort for certain types of plays and numbers of how players do in certain coverages, catches to targets, passes defended, yards after contact, etc type stuff. They are just pointless to even read when it comes to ranking individual players.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
by AppStFan1
NavyApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
That is normal because all of those ratings are all stat based. I would be shocked if a top ranked team putting up over 200 a game on the ground is not listed.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:23 pm
by NavyApp
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
That is normal because all of those ratings are all stat based. I would be shocked if a team putting up over 200 a game on the ground is not listed.
Only 2 of the top 10 rushing teams in the country are represented: Buffalo and Us. So I guess you're shocked.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:33 pm
by AppStFan1
NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:23 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
That is normal because all of those ratings are all stat based. I would be shocked if a team putting up over 200 a game on the ground is not listed.
Only 2 of the top 10 rushing teams in the country are represented: Buffalo and Us. So I guess you're shocked.
I'm talking about teams with over 200 yards who are ranked in the top 25 or having a good year. They aren't gong to put bad teams who just run the ball without dominating like Kent State, Wyoming, and Air Force. They are not having a good year.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:31 pm
by NavyApp
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:33 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:23 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
That is normal because all of those ratings are all stat based. I would be shocked if a team putting up over 200 a game on the ground is not listed.
Only 2 of the top 10 rushing teams in the country are represented: Buffalo and Us. So I guess you're shocked.
I'm talking about teams with over 200 yards who are ranked in the top 25 or receiving votes. They aren't gong to put bad teams who just run the ball all game long. Kent State, Wyoming, and Air Force are not very good this year so I would hope those type teams are not in that list.
No. 5, 6, and 7 in rushing yards per game are GaSo, Liberty, Ohio State. Colorado, Cincy, Coastal are 10th, 14th, 15th. I could go on but I think my point is made; you say baseless stuff all time that is easy refuted with the most basic levels of research. I'm sure you are going to respond with some sort of changing of field goal posts like you usually do.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:29 pm
by AppStFan1
NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:31 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:33 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:23 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm
NavyApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:56 pm
Interesting that 6 out of those 10 rush for over 200 yards per game.
That is normal because all of those ratings are all stat based. I would be shocked if a team putting up over 200 a game on the ground is not listed.
Only 2 of the top 10 rushing teams in the country are represented: Buffalo and Us. So I guess you're shocked.
I'm talking about teams with over 200 yards who are ranked in the top 25 or receiving votes. They aren't gong to put bad teams who just run the ball all game long. Kent State, Wyoming, and Air Force are not very good this year so I would hope those type teams are not in that list.
No. 5, 6, and 7 in rushing yards per game are GaSo, Liberty, Ohio State. Colorado, Cincy, Coastal are 10th, 14th, 15th. I could go on but I think my point is made; you say baseless stuff all time that is easy refuted with the most basic levels of research. I'm sure you are going to respond with some sort of changing of field goal posts like you usually do.
What exactly did I say that was flat wrong? I never said teams like Colorado would not be in there. I did accidentally leave out the word ranked or receiving votes teams so that was my fault but I would expect that list to mostly be teams in the AP and Coaches Poll. Bad teams like Kent State who run a lot would be the ones to surprise me if listed.
Did you see the link I posted with how PFF does in projecting the draft? They are next to last so why would we even pay attention to a website that is very inaccurate?
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
by Yosef84
I'm no expert, but I don't believe our OL is a strength this season. I'm basing that on the frequency I see opposing defenses in our backfield putting pressure on Zac. I don't think they're terrible, but not giving us the edge we have had in the past.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:41 am
by hapapp
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
I'm no expert, but I don't believe our OL is a strength this season. I'm basing that on the frequency I see opposing defenses in our backfield putting pressure on Zac. I don't think they're terrible, but not giving us the edge we have had in the past.
We have given up as many sacks through 10 games as we did in 14 last year. Now you can't blame the OL for all of those but it does say that Zac has had less protection this year than in the past, whether that falls on the OL, RBs, or TEs, warrants further research.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:54 pm
by Yosef84
hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:41 am
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
I'm no expert, but I don't believe our OL is a strength this season. I'm basing that on the frequency I see opposing defenses in our backfield putting pressure on Zac. I don't think they're terrible, but not giving us the edge we have had in the past.
We have given up as many sacks through 10 games as we did in 14 last year. Now you can't blame the OL for all of those but it does say that Zac has had less protection this year than in the past, whether that falls on the OL, RBs, or TEs, warrants further research.
More sacks than usual and more QB hurries than usual as well.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:34 pm
by spacemonkey
hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:41 am
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
I'm no expert, but I don't believe our OL is a strength this season. I'm basing that on the frequency I see opposing defenses in our backfield putting pressure on Zac. I don't think they're terrible, but not giving us the edge we have had in the past.
We have given up as many sacks through 10 games as we did in 14 last year. Now you can't blame the OL for all of those but it does say that Zac has had less protection this year than in the past, whether that falls on the OL, RBs, or TEs, warrants further research.
I am like a broken record but the sacks fall on our coaching staff. The offensive line is fine. We have no misdirection. Zack in the pocket takes away all of his speed and creativity and defensive players that can cheat (leaving their assignment and get away with it)
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:46 am
by Yosef84
spacemonkey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:34 pm
hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:41 am
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
I'm no expert, but I don't believe our OL is a strength this season. I'm basing that on the frequency I see opposing defenses in our backfield putting pressure on Zac. I don't think they're terrible, but not giving us the edge we have had in the past.
We have given up as many sacks through 10 games as we did in 14 last year. Now you can't blame the OL for all of those but it does say that Zac has had less protection this year than in the past, whether that falls on the OL, RBs, or TEs, warrants further research.
I am like a broken record but the sacks fall on our coaching staff. The offensive line is fine. We have no misdirection. Zack in the pocket takes away all of his speed and creativity and defensive players that can cheat (leaving their assignment and get away with it)
I believe my initial comment was stating that the OL coach (inexperience) is probably part of the issue. I get that you want to focus on the OC and overall strategy, but execution and intensity on the OL has been up and down. I think Cardwell will improve and likely take a leap in the off season because he will have time to apply the lessons of this season and he has Clark to mentor him.
Re: PFF OL Rankings
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:00 am
by AtlAppMan
The eye test tells me our O line is not as good as in recent past years. I see more pressure during passing plays.