Sunday Morning QB ---

[appgrad]

I might be talking out of school here...but, in college, if postive changes occur, I tend to think it was to simplify things for players. Too many coaches try to over-complicate things and there just aren't a lot of players out there that can grasp NFL level types of concepts. I've seen it happen...

We have good athletes on D, and it may have finally come down to just letting guys like Stringer, Norwood, et al. go make plays...which they have.

When you consider that Woody was usually having to scheme around lack of talent at Wofford, he might have finally realized he didn't really have to do that as much here...at least, not in Sun Belt games.

Same with the offense - the emphasis on the run helped because it put the ball in the hands of, unquestionably, our best player 25+ times a game. That meant Lamb didn't have as much to do...and from Liberty on, he had Meadors to throw to, which has obviously paid dividends in these wins. He can clearly make some impressive throws - but needs to grow into the type of QB that can control the whole game (which I think he will).

Regardless of how it was done - Long-term - we needed wins to help everyone's psyche...players, coaches, and quite obviously - us FANS!

Mission accomplished, I'd say. We'll have momentum in recruiting, and a very confident team and coaching staff going into next year. Couldn't ask for much more.

[AppSt94]

I might be talking out of school here...but, in college, if postive changes occur, I tend to think it was to simplify things for players. Too many coaches try to over-complicate things and there just aren't a lot of players out there that can grasp NFL level types of concepts. I've seen it happen...

We have good athletes on D, and it may have finally come down to just letting guys like Stringer, Norwood, et al. go make plays...which they have.

When you consider that Woody was usually having to scheme around lack of talent at Wofford, he might have finally realized he didn't really have to do that as much here...at least, not in Sun Belt games.

Same with the offense - the emphasis on the run helped because it put the ball in the hands of, unquestionably, our best player 25+ times a game. That meant Lamb didn't have as much to do...and from Liberty on, he had Meadors to throw to, which has obviously paid dividends in these wins. He can clearly make some impressive throws - but needs to grow into the type of QB that can control the whole game (which I think he will).

Regardless of how it was done - Long-term - we needed wins to help everyone's psyche...players, coaches, and quite obviously - us FANS!

Mission accomplished, I'd say. We'll have momentum in recruiting, and a very confident team and coaching staff going into next year. Couldn't ask for much more.

It's a plausible theory. My only point of order to that is that we are getting better pressure up front without sacrificing on the back end. Letting guys like Stringer and Norwood just play would cause some problems if they got out of their gaps.

[appgrad]

I might be talking out of school here...but, in college, if postive changes occur, I tend to think it was to simplify things for players. Too many coaches try to over-complicate things and there just aren't a lot of players out there that can grasp NFL level types of concepts. I've seen it happen...

We have good athletes on D, and it may have finally come down to just letting guys like Stringer, Norwood, et al. go make plays...which they have.

When you consider that Woody was usually having to scheme around lack of talent at Wofford, he might have finally realized he didn't really have to do that as much here...at least, not in Sun Belt games.

Same with the offense - the emphasis on the run helped because it put the ball in the hands of, unquestionably, our best player 25+ times a game. That meant Lamb didn't have as much to do...and from Liberty on, he had Meadors to throw to, which has obviously paid dividends in these wins. He can clearly make some impressive throws - but needs to grow into the type of QB that can control the whole game (which I think he will).

Regardless of how it was done - Long-term - we needed wins to help everyone's psyche...players, coaches, and quite obviously - us FANS!

Mission accomplished, I'd say. We'll have momentum in recruiting, and a very confident team and coaching staff going into next year. Couldn't ask for much more.

It's a plausible theory. My only point of order to that is that we are getting better pressure up front without sacrificing on the back end. Letting guys like Stringer and Norwood just play would cause some problems if they got out of their gaps.

True. I wasn't saying freestyle it...but more putting those guys in position to use their strengths, help the overall team defense, and not going too exotic with blitzes. Hell - my NFL team, the Falcons, still don't understand this concept!

[AppSt94]

I might be talking out of school here...but, in college, if postive changes occur, I tend to think it was to simplify things for players. Too many coaches try to over-complicate things and there just aren't a lot of players out there that can grasp NFL level types of concepts. I've seen it happen...

We have good athletes on D, and it may have finally come down to just letting guys like Stringer, Norwood, et al. go make plays...which they have.

When you consider that Woody was usually having to scheme around lack of talent at Wofford, he might have finally realized he didn't really have to do that as much here...at least, not in Sun Belt games.

Same with the offense - the emphasis on the run helped because it put the ball in the hands of, unquestionably, our best player 25+ times a game. That meant Lamb didn't have as much to do...and from Liberty on, he had Meadors to throw to, which has obviously paid dividends in these wins. He can clearly make some impressive throws - but needs to grow into the type of QB that can control the whole game (which I think he will).

Regardless of how it was done - Long-term - we needed wins to help everyone's psyche...players, coaches, and quite obviously - us FANS!

Mission accomplished, I'd say. We'll have momentum in recruiting, and a very confident team and coaching staff going into next year. Couldn't ask for much more.

It's a plausible theory. My only point of order to that is that we are getting better pressure up front without sacrificing on the back end. Letting guys like Stringer and Norwood just play would cause some problems if they got out of their gaps.

True. I wasn't saying freestyle it...but more putting those guys in position to use their strengths, help the overall team defense, and not going too exotic with blitzes. Hell - my NFL team, the Falcons, still don't understand this concept!

I think your point is valid. I stated in another thread that they have gotten better with gap integrity and responsibility. We were burned at So Miss and at least one other time because a guy blitzed and someone was not where they were supposed to be. Haven't seen that happen recently and we are blitzing more now.

[MtnMan09]

I really don't get all of these giddy "Hey you people that were upset that we were losing to FCS teams and couldn't kick an extra point can now eat crow" comments. I think we can all agree that we have a proud football tradition and dedicated fan base. There is absolutely nothing wrong, and I will go as far as to say its actually pretty normal, for a fan base to question the capabilities of the decision makers when a team like Appalachian has a run like we did from last season up through the 7th game of this one. It is a fact that we were losing to teams that we should definitely beat (Charleston Southern, A&T, Liberty). Yes the games were close, but if you watched them we looked like we didnt have a clue what to do. It was hard to comprehend because we cared about the program and did not see anythin changing. I will find it hard to believe you, if you can say you saw measurable improvement on defense up until the Troy game. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

There's no nead for relishing in "I told you sos." People who were just fine with losing and us eventually finding our way did not know with any kind of certainty that it would happen. Just like those who questioned whether Satt could get the job done have clearly had their doubts answered. I am proud that we have a vocal fan base that wants to protect our tradition and hold our decision makers accountable. For those that think its deliusional don't ever stop by an SEC message board. I think at this point we are all just glad that we are back to winning. The beer goes down alot smoother on nights like Saturday's.

[manonabuffalo]

I really don't get all of these giddy "Hey you people that were upset that we were losing to FCS teams and couldn't kick an extra point can now eat crow" comments. I think we can all agree that we have a proud football tradition and dedicated fan base. There is absolutely nothing wrong, and I will go as far as to say its actually pretty normal, for a fan base to question the capabilities of the decision makers when a team like Appalachian has a run like we did from last season up through the 7th game of this one. It is a fact that we were losing to teams that we should definitely beat (Charleston Southern, A&T, Liberty). Yes the games were close, but if you watched them we looked like we didnt have a clue what to do. It was hard to comprehend because we cared about the program and did not see anythin changing. I will find it hard to believe you, if you can say you saw measurable improvement on defense up until the Troy game. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

There's no nead for relishing in "I told you sos." People who were just fine with losing and us eventually finding our way did not know with any kind of certainty that it would happen. Just like those who questioned whether Satt could get the job done have clearly had their doubts answered. I am proud that we have a vocal fan base that wants to protect our tradition and hold our decision makers accountable. For those that think its deliusional don't ever stop by an SEC message board. I think at this point we are all just glad that we are back to winning. The beer goes down alot smoother on nights like Saturday's.

Well said, you obviously get it. Some folks just want to be right. Humility is not their virtue by nature.

[EastHallApp]

. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

Besides Meadors, what other freshman's redshirt was burned midseason?

The bigger changes with freshmen were starting some who were already playing as reserves. Is it so hard to believe that those freshmen perhaps weren't ready to start in game 1, but were more prepared after half a season of practice and game experience?

I do agree that, for the sake of everyone, it's probably time to move past the I-told-you-so's. The people who called for Satterfield's job were clearly overreacting and have been proven wrong. I think most have admitted as much. Time to move on and enjoy the success.

[T-Dog]

My thoughts mid-season were that Satt needed to and sure he would stick around after 2015. That includes making sure he has the right staff after the season.

I still think Ivey shouldn't be coaching special teams next year. Besides that, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

But we still got one more game left. There's still work to do.

[AppSt94]

My thoughts mid-season were that Satt needed to and sure he would stick around after 2015. That includes making sure he has the right staff after the season.

I still think Ivey shouldn't be coaching special teams next year. Besides that, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

But we still got one more game left. There's still work to do.

Do you have an opinion on who should be coaching STs? I guess the rules state that we can't hire someone so who is the alternative. Just asking.

[proasu89]

My thoughts mid-season were that Satt needed to and sure he would stick around after 2015. That includes making sure he has the right staff after the season.

I still think Ivey shouldn't be coaching special teams next year. Besides that, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

But we still got one more game left. There's still work to do.

Don't know how much of this falls on Ivey. We need better athletes on coverage and return teams and this week certainly looked better with more 1's on the field.A full compliment of schollies should help next year while not having to play the 1's on ST. Return game should improve with more athletes to choose from. I certainly can't fault Ivey for our kickers not being able to convert. In short, Satterfield knows if this is a player issue or a coaching issue.

[App91]

Wonder what changes we made on defense that caused us to become SO much better?

Ask Woody, I am sure he will tell you. Probably has something to do with being more aggressive rather than bend but don't break. but hey, what do I know, you guys are the experts, right RJ?

[App91]

I really don't get all of these giddy "Hey you people that were upset that we were losing to FCS teams and couldn't kick an extra point can now eat crow" comments. I think we can all agree that we have a proud football tradition and dedicated fan base. There is absolutely nothing wrong, and I will go as far as to say its actually pretty normal, for a fan base to question the capabilities of the decision makers when a team like Appalachian has a run like we did from last season up through the 7th game of this one. It is a fact that we were losing to teams that we should definitely beat (Charleston Southern, A&T, Liberty). Yes the games were close, but if you watched them we looked like we didnt have a clue what to do. It was hard to comprehend because we cared about the program and did not see anythin changing. I will find it hard to believe you, if you can say you saw measurable improvement on defense up until the Troy game. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

There's no nead for relishing in "I told you sos." People who were just fine with losing and us eventually finding our way did not know with any kind of certainty that it would happen. Just like those who questioned whether Satt could get the job done have clearly had their doubts answered. I am proud that we have a vocal fan base that wants to protect our tradition and hold our decision makers accountable. For those that think its deliusional don't ever stop by an SEC message board. I think at this point we are all just glad that we are back to winning. The beer goes down alot smoother on nights like Saturday's.

This...just this plus eleventy million. So much more eloquent and concise than I could have ever stated, but i will say...DITTO!

[App91]

If you believe this, then you have not been watching. It is without debate that the schemes have been different between these two seasons. Coaching to win rather than not to lose. Getting pressure on the ball, good rytthem on O, should we go on? Yes, the coaches looked inward, made changes and we got better, alot better.

No one would argue that the schemes have been different. But this is the chicken versus egg debate. Did the players get better because the playbook opened up, or did the playbook open up because the players got better. I have been watching the games and I am of the opinion that the playbook opened because the players finally understood what they were supposed to do for each play. This in turn made it easier to give the coaches more play calling ability. Think about this. During the first part of the season how any times did we get burned because we blitzed and players were out of position? Have we had that happen in the back part of the season? I have not seen it and it is all due to players better understanding of where they are supposed to be.[/quote]
Not really able to say we were burned because of a blitz. We were out of position, either scheme or missed assignment.

[App91]

What a surprise. The posters that absolutely lost their minds and called for a coaching overhaul and Satt and Woody's head on a platter don't like being reminded of their ridiculous comments.

Defending Satt & Co. has nothing to do with being loyal or kind for our good ol' boy coaches. It has everything to do with the fact that some of us understand that (NEWSFLASH) no one on MMB knows the game of football or this roster as much as our coaches. And it takes a lot more than using amateur advice on a fan board to turn a program transitioning into the FBS around.

So all of this talk about "Well, I see that the coaches saw what everyone else saw and turned it around" is really just nonsense because we see a fraction of what they see.

In the end, everyone benefits because now we're really good at football again.

Well, guess we can all go back to sitting by the campfire singing Kum-by-ya, no need to have any more discussions on message boards, no more OPINIONS. RJ has spoken. Good night all.
Newsflash!

I get it. So it's either fire Satt and put his house up for sale or sitting around a campfire singing peace songs.

Sorry my comment hit too close to home but I wasn't in a "singing" mood after the Liberty game. I simply had the foresight to not call for Satt's job 1.5 years into his tenure.

The only stinging part was pointing out the idiocy of your first sentence. Say what you will but heat was applied (don't think that the coaches read the drivel from us on the board) that changes in coaching were made. That much is clear. Just wish we would have made those changes, oh, I don't know, Montana 9/13

[AppSt94]

What a surprise. The posters that absolutely lost their minds and called for a coaching overhaul and Satt and Woody's head on a platter don't like being reminded of their ridiculous comments.

Defending Satt & Co. has nothing to do with being loyal or kind for our good ol' boy coaches. It has everything to do with the fact that some of us understand that (NEWSFLASH) no one on MMB knows the game of football or this roster as much as our coaches. And it takes a lot more than using amateur advice on a fan board to turn a program transitioning into the FBS around.

So all of this talk about "Well, I see that the coaches saw what everyone else saw and turned it around" is really just nonsense because we see a fraction of what they see.

In the end, everyone benefits because now we're really good at football again.

Well, guess we can all go back to sitting by the campfire singing Kum-by-ya, no need to have any more discussions on message boards, no more OPINIONS. RJ has spoken. Good night all.
Newsflash!

I get it. So it's either fire Satt and put his house up for sale or sitting around a campfire singing peace songs.

Sorry my comment hit too close to home but I wasn't in a "singing" mood after the Liberty game. I simply had the foresight to not call for Satt's job 1.5 years into his tenure.

The only stinging part was pointing out the idiocy of your first sentence. Say what you will but heat was applied (don't think that the coaches read the drivel from us on the board) that changes in coaching were made. That much is clear. Just wish we would have made those changes, oh, I don't know, Montana 9/13

I can't believe that you are dilusional enough to think that the coaches read and react to your suggestions on how to fix the team. The only reason for the coaches to open up the message board is to print out your sage wisdom during a toilet paper shortage in the football office.

[ASUMountaineer]

I really don't get all of these giddy "Hey you people that were upset that we were losing to FCS teams and couldn't kick an extra point can now eat crow" comments. I think we can all agree that we have a proud football tradition and dedicated fan base. There is absolutely nothing wrong, and I will go as far as to say its actually pretty normal, for a fan base to question the capabilities of the decision makers when a team like Appalachian has a run like we did from last season up through the 7th game of this one. It is a fact that we were losing to teams that we should definitely beat (Charleston Southern, A&T, Liberty). Yes the games were close, but if you watched them we looked like we didnt have a clue what to do. It was hard to comprehend because we cared about the program and did not see anythin changing. I will find it hard to believe you, if you can say you saw measurable improvement on defense up until the Troy game. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

There's no nead for relishing in "I told you sos." People who were just fine with losing and us eventually finding our way did not know with any kind of certainty that it would happen. Just like those who questioned whether Satt could get the job done have clearly had their doubts answered. I am proud that we have a vocal fan base that wants to protect our tradition and hold our decision makers accountable. For those that think its deliusional don't ever stop by an SEC message board. I think at this point we are all just glad that we are back to winning. The beer goes down alot smoother on nights like Saturday's.

This...just this plus eleventy million. So much more eloquent and concise than I could have ever stated, but i will say...DITTO!

Yeah, except it wasn't just that people were simply "upset that we lost to an FCS team or couldn't kick a FG." Everyone was upset about that.

The issue was that people, including yourself, were calling for Scott and his staff to be fired 16 games into their tenure. It was just unreasonable, as most of us said at the time, and has now been proven to be ridiculous too.

With that said, the "I told you so" or "come get your crow" posts are just as over-the-top...especially right here at Thanksgiving. App91, no one doubted your passion, just your reactions. Have a hAPPy Thanksgiving!

[appbio91]

I really don't get all of these giddy "Hey you people that were upset that we were losing to FCS teams and couldn't kick an extra point can now eat crow" comments. I think we can all agree that we have a proud football tradition and dedicated fan base. There is absolutely nothing wrong, and I will go as far as to say its actually pretty normal, for a fan base to question the capabilities of the decision makers when a team like Appalachian has a run like we did from last season up through the 7th game of this one. It is a fact that we were losing to teams that we should definitely beat (Charleston Southern, A&T, Liberty). Yes the games were close, but if you watched them we looked like we didnt have a clue what to do. It was hard to comprehend because we cared about the program and did not see anythin changing. I will find it hard to believe you, if you can say you saw measurable improvement on defense up until the Troy game. Whether you want to admit it or not, it was not Satt's plan to burn redshirts or sit older guys in favor of younder ones this year. People who questioned his initial plan did so because it was clearly not working and were not enthusiastic about the possibility of a 1-11 season. I'd like to think that, along with Satt's personal desire to win, the rumblings from the fan base supported him taking some drastic actions such as burning Meador's shirt in order to right the ship and get us back to playing Appalachian football.

There's no nead for relishing in "I told you sos." People who were just fine with losing and us eventually finding our way did not know with any kind of certainty that it would happen. Just like those who questioned whether Satt could get the job done have clearly had their doubts answered. I am proud that we have a vocal fan base that wants to protect our tradition and hold our decision makers accountable. For those that think its deliusional don't ever stop by an SEC message board. I think at this point we are all just glad that we are back to winning. The beer goes down alot smoother on nights like Saturday's.

This...just this plus eleventy million. So much more eloquent and concise than I could have ever stated, but i will say...DITTO!

Yeah, except it wasn't just that people were simply "upset that we lost to an FCS team or couldn't kick a FG." Everyone was upset about that.

The issue was that people, including yourself, were calling for Scott and his staff to be fired 16 games into their tenure. It was just unreasonable, as most of us said at the time, and has now been proven to be ridiculous too.

With that said, the "I told you so" or "come get your crow" posts are just as over-the-top...especially right here at Thanksgiving. App91, no one doubted your passion, just your reactions. Have a hAPPy Thanksgiving!

Nice reasonable way to end this madness. This should be something we can agree on. Thanks for the thoughful post Mountaineer.

[moonshine]

I still think Ivey shouldn't be coaching special teams next year.

May I ask how come you don't think Ivey should be coaching ST?

I feel the more prudent move would be for Satt to send Ivey down to Wake Forest (#8), Duke (#12) or South Carolina (#23) to gain more insight on how to improve ST. All 3 of those programs are in the top 25 in ST efficiency. Since App plays Wake in the coming years, Clawson may decline. I believe the coaches visited with Cutcliffe at Duke this past off-season so the Blue Devils may be a viable option. With Elliott at USC and the fact that we play Clemson in the early part of 2015, the Gamecocks may be more than willing to help.

A head coach's job isn't only to make his players better but also his coaches. Ivey basically jumped from high school into the FBS. I think he brings a lot to the table for App with his recruiting ties in talent rich Florida, he seems to be a fiery guy, his DL has played well this year and he's one of our own who bleeds black n gold (nepotism...maybe?). Why not give him the opportunity to grow, especially once App gets a full roster of scholarship athletes?

[APPARJ]

Wonder what changes we made on defense that caused us to become SO much better?

Ask Woody, I am sure he will tell you. Probably has something to do with being more aggressive rather than bend but don't break. but hey, what do I know, you guys are the experts, right RJ?

Awwwwwwww...

[APPARJ]

What a surprise. The posters that absolutely lost their minds and called for a coaching overhaul and Satt and Woody's head on a platter don't like being reminded of their ridiculous comments.

Defending Satt & Co. has nothing to do with being loyal or kind for our good ol' boy coaches. It has everything to do with the fact that some of us understand that (NEWSFLASH) no one on MMB knows the game of football or this roster as much as our coaches. And it takes a lot more than using amateur advice on a fan board to turn a program transitioning into the FBS around.

So all of this talk about "Well, I see that the coaches saw what everyone else saw and turned it around" is really just nonsense because we see a fraction of what they see.

In the end, everyone benefits because now we're really good at football again.

Well, guess we can all go back to sitting by the campfire singing Kum-by-ya, no need to have any more discussions on message boards, no more OPINIONS. RJ has spoken. Good night all.
Newsflash!

I get it. So it's either fire Satt and put his house up for sale or sitting around a campfire singing peace songs.

Sorry my comment hit too close to home but I wasn't in a "singing" mood after the Liberty game. I simply had the foresight to not call for Satt's job 1.5 years into his tenure.

The only stinging part was pointing out the idiocy of your first sentence. Say what you will but heat was applied (don't think that the coaches read the drivel from us on the board) that changes in coaching were made. That much is clear. Just wish we would have made those changes, oh, I don't know, Montana 9/13

Oh. It was clear? How so? Where this "heat" was coming from?