100% agree here. I don't see Zac coming back. We will have a transfer, Shuler, or Tabscott as the starter most likely.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:51 pmI don't believe that Zac Thomas has enjoyed playing under Peterson and I seriously doubt that he returns to play for App next season. That means that unless Huesman returns, we'll have a QB with just about zero snaps in a collegiate football game running the show from the get-go. I don't like that image from this seat. Our future is coming at us at warp speed.
BTW, I'm not a Peterson fan. We can and should do better.
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Everyone remember that huge step back we were going to take when Lamb left and we had an unknown commodity replacing him?
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Sort of, but there were rumblings that he looked really good. I haven’t heard that about any of the backups this year. Peterson did admit that he would be focusing solely on Zac and Huesman and the other guys would have to get what they could...
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Those rumblings didn't begin until the next spring ball, even then it was a two horse race heading into the fall with Jacob and Zac. Also I'm not trying to equate the the two situations, I'm just trying to point out we have gone through transition before and we not only survived we got better. Here's to hoping for more of that!JohnnyBurrito wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:32 pmSort of, but there were rumblings that he looked really good. I haven’t heard that about any of the backups this year. Peterson did admit that he would be focusing solely on Zac and Huesman and the other guys would have to get what they could...
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Watched the majority of games during Tony’s time at ECU. It’s a weird year so I’m taking everything with a grain of salt, but his issues at ECU certainly showed here in his first year. Redzone was a big problem this year, something like 109th in the country last time i checked. I think we were at least top 50 last year, and i think I’m being pretty generous with that number. ECU was awful in the redzone during his stint there. His offense at ECU often looked pretty good during the first drive of each game, when he had a week to prep, but things got derailed after when he had to adjust on the fly, which I think we saw here. It was also believed to be a pretty solid rumor that Montgomery stripped TP of play calling in that third year. Skip Holtz also stripped him of play calling at La Tech.
Clark said time and time again the offense was staying the same. To have what we had come back and s drop off like we did is concerning. Even before the injuries i never thought the offense looked right. Should have put up 50+ on Charlotte but sputter over and over. I’m not up in arms calling for his job, but it would make me feel better about Clark as the HMIC if he could recognize that TPs time has past.
Clark said time and time again the offense was staying the same. To have what we had come back and s drop off like we did is concerning. Even before the injuries i never thought the offense looked right. Should have put up 50+ on Charlotte but sputter over and over. I’m not up in arms calling for his job, but it would make me feel better about Clark as the HMIC if he could recognize that TPs time has past.
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We certainly took a step back this season , a year ahead of schedule.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:54 pmI did not say that because I think we can't beat them but because I want to see how those programs do when they have turnover like we have had to do. It is easy to talk smack when you don't go through the same things as other programs. That is the only reason I said that. We should continue to be a winning program. I just fear we take a step back next year with Zac Thomas and most of the offense gone. I do expect us back in the hunt for the title in 2022 though.Tbatchelor1977 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:34 pmI take a different stance. I hope that the other two coaches are still here and we win the conference. Seems to discount our HC ability and/or that we can only maintain or achieve a conference championship if other coaches leave. We have been a winning program for a long time. I hope we continue to be no. matter who is coaching at the other schools.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:08 pmAnd how much talk will there be on here at the end of 2021 that Clark should be on hot seat if that happens? I don't want to see that talk but it will be here and stay until we win the division again. The good news is that Chadwell and Napier likely won't be in SBC in 2022 but anything can happen and they could still return. If Chadwell is back in 2022 then I would venture to guess that he will be a 3-time SBC Champion and we will be forgotten. I don't want to see that!Stonewall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:50 pmAgree on expectations and timing.Pretty much the crux of the issue.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:39 pm
I expected 4-5 losses next year, which is why I had put pressure this year and felt we should aim for undefeated or at least finish ranked. We needed another big year because of the likely slide in 2021. If we lose Zac and most of this offense then we will be young and could lose a lot more games.
What will this message board look like if we lose to ECU, Miami, Marshall, Louisiana, CCU, and either Ga Sou, Ga St, or Ark St? We could easily go 6-6 or 5-7 next year if we have to replace so many guys and don't have an all-conf QB. If we have a bad year like that then we lose recruiting momentum. Nobody expected to win the SBC in 2021 but I don't think anyone really expected to lose say 4 games in 2020 prior to what should be a down year in 2021.
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All I can say is we better sandpaper their A$$ tomorrow night!
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Only if Clark takes over the play callingAppstate88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:58 pmAll I can say is we better sandpaper their A$$ tomorrow night!
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Zac's graduation IG post today makes it seem like he's not coming back next season.
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Please for the love of God, get a better OC, Coach Clark. If this Peterson guy keeps tanking in his play calling and unable to make necessary adjustments. I don’t know what impacts could potentially happen, but you have to account for brand building, that is associated with winning, and I’d venture a guess that donors enjoy donating more when the team is successful.
I’m sure Clark is too busy than to read these posts, but I would be willing to bet Clark has to be feeling the pressure about the OC already, even in this difficult year.
I’m sure Clark is too busy than to read these posts, but I would be willing to bet Clark has to be feeling the pressure about the OC already, even in this difficult year.
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Three years ago, we had a sophomore replace a senior who only had 10 career passing attempts on his resume. By the second half of the Penn State game, those worries had abided.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:16 pmI don't believe that Zac Thomas has enjoyed playing under Peterson and I seriously doubt that he returns to play for App next season. That means that unless Huesman returns, we'll have a QB with just about zero snaps in a collegiate football game running the show from the get-go. I don't like that look from this seat.
BTW, I'm not a Peterson fan. We can and should do better.
Also, in the crazy world that is today's college football: There is always the chance for a grad transfer who has many starts under his belt or a P5 transfer, who has the talent, but not the opportunity.
There are no guarantees, but we have attractive offensive talent that should attract a QB, if that QB isn't already on our roster.
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Regarding the penn state game. That would make me feel better if we had Ponce/ Satt - but I don’t foresee TP having someone ready.WASU 93 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:46 pmThree years ago, we had a sophomore replace a senior who only had 10 career passing attempts on his resume. By the second half of the Penn State game, those worries had abided.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:16 pmI don't believe that Zac Thomas has enjoyed playing under Peterson and I seriously doubt that he returns to play for App next season. That means that unless Huesman returns, we'll have a QB with just about zero snaps in a collegiate football game running the show from the get-go. I don't like that look from this seat.
BTW, I'm not a Peterson fan. We can and should do better.
Also, in the crazy world that is today's college football: There is always the chance for a grad transfer who has many starts under his belt or a P5 transfer, who has the talent, but not the opportunity.
There are no guarantees, but we have attractive offensive talent that should attract a QB, if that QB isn't already on our roster.
I also agree about getting a grad transfer. That’s likely the direction we go . ZT and co is gone after this year...
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Man. His comment from his hiring presser hasn’t aged well.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:58 pmAll I can say is we better sandpaper their A$$ tomorrow night!
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The Real Stats
So.....
From a play calling perspective, it feels that we are running a more vanilla offense (lack of screens, jet sweeps, motion, etc.
I agree with most of you in that from an eye test, it appears that our offense has fallen off, that we are committing more penalties, that ZT is not as sharp, and that we are not rushing the ball like previous seasons.
However, that's not what the stats show:
2018 (SATTERFIELD)
Points per Game: 37.3 ppg--#16 in the nation--
Total Offense: 431.0 Yards Per Game--(#37)
Rushing Yards: 240.4 Yards Per Game (#14)
Yards per Attempt: 5.8 Yards per carry (#9)
Passing Yards: 190.6 Yards per Game (#100)
Completion %: 61.4% (#47)
Total First Downs: 20.4 per game (#80)
Offensive Penalties: 6.3 per game (55th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 57.5 yards per game. (52nd worst in the nation
Turnovers: 1.3 per game (46th best in the nation)
2019 (DRINKWITZ)
Points per Game: 38.8 ppg--#9 in the nation--
Total Offense: 433.7 Yards Per Game--(#41)
Rushing Yards: 232.0 Yards Per Game (#16)
Yards per Attempt: 5.4 Yards per carry (#9)
Passing Yards: 201.7 Yards per Game (#93)
Completion %: 62.4% (#41)
Total First Downs: 21.1 per game (#69)
Offensive Penalties: 6.8 per game (30th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 63.9 yards per game. (20th worst in the nation)
Turnovers: 0.6 per game (Tied for 2nd best in the nation)
2020 (PETERSEN/CLARK)
Points per Game: 31.6 ppg--#42 in the nation--
Total Offense: 440.7 Yards Per Game--(#30)
Rushing Yards: 250.7 Yards Per Game (#8)
Yards per Attempt: 5.4 Yards per carry (#17)
Passing Yards: 190.0 Yards per Game (#102)
Completion %: 64.2% (#32)
Total First Downs: 24.2 per game (#21)
Offensive Penalties: 7.0 per game (26th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 63.0 yards per game. (31st worst in the nation)
Turnovers: 1.5 per game (Tied for 67th worst in the nation)
So, the bottom line is we are not scoring as many points per game, but the offensive production is similar, if not a tick better this year.
Also, in ZT's tenure, we have never averaged more than 201.7 yards passing or been rated higher than #93 in the nation (We averaged 216.2, which was #75 in the nation in 2017--Taylor Lamb's Senior Season. We were also 2nd in the nation in Sacks Allowed that year, allowing .62 per game). ZT has his highest completion percentage this year, despite the WR/TE injuries.
How are we on 3rd Down Conversions?
2018-Satt. 71 conversions in 169 attempts 42% success (#44 in the nation)
2019-Drink 89 conversions in 200 attempts 44.5% success (#26 in the nation)
2020--Clark/Petersen 73 conversions in 136 attempts 53.7% success (#4 in the nation)
Digging into Turnovers deeper:
Turnover Margin
2018-Satt. +0.46 per game (#50 in the nation)
2019-Drink +1.07 per game (#7 in the nation)
2020--Clark -0.2 per game (#74)
Beyond Turnovers, where's the real offensive Drop Off???
Red Zone Efficiency
2018-Satt. 4.15 Red Zone opportunities per game:
54 total opportunities (46 scores 38 TD's/8 FG's)
.852 Success (Tied for #54 in nation)
2019-Drink 4.29 Red Zone opportunities per game:
60 total opportunities (55 scores 47 TD's/8 FG's)
.917 Success (#14 in nation)
2020--Clark/Petersen 4.3 Red Zone opportunities per game:
43 total opportunities (31 scores 24 TD's/7 FG's)
.721 Success (#111 in the nation)
So, not counting extra points:
Satt averaged 4.66 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Drink averaged 5.1 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Clark/Petersen are averaging 3.83 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Looking at Sacks Allowed:
2018-Satt 1.38 per game (tied for 21st)
2019-Drink 1.29 per game (13th nationally)
2020-Clark/Petersen 1.8 per game (38th)
Turnovers and Red Zone performance are the real differences in 2020, with a decline in Pass Blocking
From a play calling perspective, it feels that we are running a more vanilla offense (lack of screens, jet sweeps, motion, etc.
I agree with most of you in that from an eye test, it appears that our offense has fallen off, that we are committing more penalties, that ZT is not as sharp, and that we are not rushing the ball like previous seasons.
However, that's not what the stats show:
2018 (SATTERFIELD)
Points per Game: 37.3 ppg--#16 in the nation--
Total Offense: 431.0 Yards Per Game--(#37)
Rushing Yards: 240.4 Yards Per Game (#14)
Yards per Attempt: 5.8 Yards per carry (#9)
Passing Yards: 190.6 Yards per Game (#100)
Completion %: 61.4% (#47)
Total First Downs: 20.4 per game (#80)
Offensive Penalties: 6.3 per game (55th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 57.5 yards per game. (52nd worst in the nation
Turnovers: 1.3 per game (46th best in the nation)
2019 (DRINKWITZ)
Points per Game: 38.8 ppg--#9 in the nation--
Total Offense: 433.7 Yards Per Game--(#41)
Rushing Yards: 232.0 Yards Per Game (#16)
Yards per Attempt: 5.4 Yards per carry (#9)
Passing Yards: 201.7 Yards per Game (#93)
Completion %: 62.4% (#41)
Total First Downs: 21.1 per game (#69)
Offensive Penalties: 6.8 per game (30th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 63.9 yards per game. (20th worst in the nation)
Turnovers: 0.6 per game (Tied for 2nd best in the nation)
2020 (PETERSEN/CLARK)
Points per Game: 31.6 ppg--#42 in the nation--
Total Offense: 440.7 Yards Per Game--(#30)
Rushing Yards: 250.7 Yards Per Game (#8)
Yards per Attempt: 5.4 Yards per carry (#17)
Passing Yards: 190.0 Yards per Game (#102)
Completion %: 64.2% (#32)
Total First Downs: 24.2 per game (#21)
Offensive Penalties: 7.0 per game (26th worst in the nation)
Offensive Penalty Yards per game: 63.0 yards per game. (31st worst in the nation)
Turnovers: 1.5 per game (Tied for 67th worst in the nation)
So, the bottom line is we are not scoring as many points per game, but the offensive production is similar, if not a tick better this year.
Also, in ZT's tenure, we have never averaged more than 201.7 yards passing or been rated higher than #93 in the nation (We averaged 216.2, which was #75 in the nation in 2017--Taylor Lamb's Senior Season. We were also 2nd in the nation in Sacks Allowed that year, allowing .62 per game). ZT has his highest completion percentage this year, despite the WR/TE injuries.
How are we on 3rd Down Conversions?
2018-Satt. 71 conversions in 169 attempts 42% success (#44 in the nation)
2019-Drink 89 conversions in 200 attempts 44.5% success (#26 in the nation)
2020--Clark/Petersen 73 conversions in 136 attempts 53.7% success (#4 in the nation)
Digging into Turnovers deeper:
Turnover Margin
2018-Satt. +0.46 per game (#50 in the nation)
2019-Drink +1.07 per game (#7 in the nation)
2020--Clark -0.2 per game (#74)
Beyond Turnovers, where's the real offensive Drop Off???
Red Zone Efficiency
2018-Satt. 4.15 Red Zone opportunities per game:
54 total opportunities (46 scores 38 TD's/8 FG's)
.852 Success (Tied for #54 in nation)
2019-Drink 4.29 Red Zone opportunities per game:
60 total opportunities (55 scores 47 TD's/8 FG's)
.917 Success (#14 in nation)
2020--Clark/Petersen 4.3 Red Zone opportunities per game:
43 total opportunities (31 scores 24 TD's/7 FG's)
.721 Success (#111 in the nation)
So, not counting extra points:
Satt averaged 4.66 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Drink averaged 5.1 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Clark/Petersen are averaging 3.83 points per Red Zone Opportunity
Looking at Sacks Allowed:
2018-Satt 1.38 per game (tied for 21st)
2019-Drink 1.29 per game (13th nationally)
2020-Clark/Petersen 1.8 per game (38th)
Turnovers and Red Zone performance are the real differences in 2020, with a decline in Pass Blocking
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From all indications of people I know close and what some media are reporting Zac Thomas is going to coach and won't be back. It sounds like a transfer, Shuler, or Tabscott will be our QB in 2021.
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Wish nothing but the best for Zac if that's what he ends up doing.
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Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs
Given that scenario, I would expect we might hunt the portal or find a grad student to provide a transition year.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:51 pmI don't believe that Zac Thomas has enjoyed playing under Peterson and I seriously doubt that he returns to play for App next season. That means that unless Huesman returns, we'll have a QB with just about zero snaps in a collegiate football game running the show from the get-go. I don't like that image from this seat. Our future is coming at us at warp speed.
BTW, I'm not a Peterson fan. We can and should do better.
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What happened to the QB from IMG Academy, Baldwin-Griffin? I believe I recall he opted out this year but he is still on the roster.
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If our Coaches listen to posters on this Board, we would definitely be in trouble!TheAppalachianState wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:32 pmPlease for the love of God, get a better OC, Coach Clark. If this Peterson guy keeps tanking in his play calling and unable to make necessary adjustments. I don’t know what impacts could potentially happen, but you have to account for brand building, that is associated with winning, and I’d venture a guess that donors enjoy donating more when the team is successful.
I’m sure Clark is too busy than to read these posts, but I would be willing to bet Clark has to be feeling the pressure about the OC already, even in this difficult year.



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Couldn't agree with TheAppalachianState moreJMappfan5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:10 amIf our Coaches listen to posters on this Board, we would definitely be in trouble!TheAppalachianState wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:32 pmPlease for the love of God, get a better OC, Coach Clark. If this Peterson guy keeps tanking in his play calling and unable to make necessary adjustments. I don’t know what impacts could potentially happen, but you have to account for brand building, that is associated with winning, and I’d venture a guess that donors enjoy donating more when the team is successful.
I’m sure Clark is too busy than to read these posts, but I would be willing to bet Clark has to be feeling the pressure about the OC already, even in this difficult year.![]()
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