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[Kgfish]

"You and Norton may have a valid point if we were 2-9 last year and 1-7 this year...we made the playoffs last year and are in contention to do so again this year, let's slow down on the book of Revelation coming true...and as far as returning tickets, this is just plain dumb IMO, "I'll show you, I'll throw away my own money!"..Coach Moore is one of the most postive people I know (and I've spent time with him personally). The truth is that most positive people have zero time for negative nancys"

With the expectations of this program 7-4 might as well be 2-9. Simply making the playoffs isn't good enough for a fan base demanding to contend for the national championship every year. They have provided the resources necessary to compete for the championship on a regular basis and it is foolish to think they will be satisfied with anything less. Welcome to life at the top.

As a matter of clarity and to satisfy my own curosity, I did a little research on Mr Norton. Do you know that he and and his wife only gives the paltry sum of $5000 annually to Yosef! With such feable support of the program how dare he expect more from it! Upon further examination I discovered the Norton's gave at the $10,000 level the previous three years. Ah ha! The the smoking gun! Obviously cutting his donation in half is proof positive of Mr Norton's vendetta against Coach Moore as claimed by Mr JCline.

Some of you guys are nuts!

[ASUMountaineer]

"Exactly what I'd expect him to do. Another coach would read the letter and be concerned fans are upset enough to feel that way."

You can't be serious???

Dead serious. Any CEO worth his salt pays attention to the opinions and criticisms of long time customers. Mr Norton is obviously not some Johnny Come Lately who is merely blowing off steam. As indicated he has been attending ASU games since the 60's, and I'm betting has given thousands of dollars to ASU athletics. That is somebody I'd be listening to, but I'm not the all powerful Oz. Why some of you people think Coach Moore is beyond reproach is hard to understand.

"There's none so blind as they that won't see." - Jonathan Swift

Why don't you take a poll on here and see how many posters have received hand-written notes or letters from Coach Moore over the years - he doesn't ignore the fanbase and you are grossly mistaken if you think that is the case - however in the middle of the season he probably has better things to spend his time on ---
My wife has received 2 letters from Coach Moore over the last couple of years - not typed by his admn - hand-written by Coach - I imagine you will find others who will offer similar --- "Beyond Reproach"??? - what a joke !!!

If Coach Moore is happy to accomodate his admirers by writing them hand written notes & letters, he should be just as responsive to the concerns of long time fans like Mr. Norton. If Coach is only willing to acknowledge the praise and ignore the criticism he needs to find another line of work.

Are you trolling? I'm confused why someone would have the gall to make such statements without showing that he has any definitive proof to back up the claim. You're able to hide behind an anonymous screen name and rant and rave, but there's little substance/credibility when doing so.

I'm amazed that people feel justified to get onto a message board and denigrate someone that they have very little knowledge of how the person is in real life. There are so many more important things in the world to spend time and effort getting upset over, that I'll never understand the attitude some people have here on the MMB.

[ASUMountaineer]

"You and Norton may have a valid point if we were 2-9 last year and 1-7 this year...we made the playoffs last year and are in contention to do so again this year, let's slow down on the book of Revelation coming true...and as far as returning tickets, this is just plain dumb IMO, "I'll show you, I'll throw away my own money!"..Coach Moore is one of the most postive people I know (and I've spent time with him personally). The truth is that most positive people have zero time for negative nancys"

With the expectations of this program 7-4 might as well be 2-9. Simply making the playoffs isn't good enough for a fan base demanding to contend for the national championship every year. They have provided the resources necessary to compete for the championship on a regular basis and it is foolish to think they will be satisfied with anything less. Welcome to life at the top.

As a matter of clarity and to satisfy my own curosity, I did a little research on Mr Norton. Do you know that he and and his wife only gives the paltry sum of $5000 annually to Yosef! With such feable support of the program how dare he expect more from it! Upon further examination I discovered the Norton's gave at the $10,000 level the previous three years. Ah ha! The the smoking gun! Obviously cutting his donation in half is proof positive of Mr Norton's vendetta against Coach Moore as claimed by Mr JCline.

Some of you guys are nuts!

You're absolutely correct with that last statement. It is crazy to get on a message board behind an anonymous screen name and waste time denigrating someone. Don't you have anything better to do?

I think everyone on this board would agree that the past few years have been lackluster by ASU's standards. But, most reasonable people would also agree that sometimes teams have down years. I just think, given history of work, that it's ridiculous to criticize coach the way people do on this board. Accurate criticism is valid, but a lot of people make it sound like we're Memphis or WCU. We're not, we've never been like that under JM, and won't be. Believe it or not, the sky is not falling, the sun will come up tomorrow, and life will go on. You may be disappointed to learn that JM is still employed, but that's just sad for you.

[JCline0429]

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[bcoach]

What the heck would some of you guys do if we were Carolina? Would you be proud of that program? You really sound like spoiled brats. I want us to be better but hell guys how long has it been since we have had a losing season? If you want to leave then do it, but don't blame your lack of maturity on JM. One other thing. Your contribution is just that, a contribution, it is not ownership. Some get on here and have the attitude that all the conference championships and Nat Championships had nothing to do with JM but every single loss is due to that horrible excuse for a head coach. This is just one more example of a solid truth. You have to get older but you don’t have to grow up.

[Yosef84]

The fact that people think you can simply throw money / resources at a program and then have a right to expect them to "contend for a national championship" is completely screwed up. If this is how it actually worked there are a lot of schools out there who are falling short. Michigan, Georgia, Ohio State, South Carolina, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Miami, Florida State (the list goes on for a very long time) would all have a right to contend for the national championship EVERY year. Most of those schools have been absent from the title hunt for a while (or at least longer than App has been). Yes, the having the resources is a component, but NO TEAM contends every year....at any level.

Yes, App fans have a right to expect a high standard from our coaches. I believe we get that. Some of the staff wasn't meeting that standard, and changes have been made. Coach Moore doesn't have a magic wand. Making adjustments in areas like "discipline" and "chemistry" is not like flipping a switch. Chemistry builds over time. The new coaches are moving in the right direction....or so it seems to this fan.

I'm disappointed in the Citadel and Wofford games this year...just like everyone else. Those games are behind us, but we still have a shot at the playoffs. I'll close the book on this team when the season is over and then I'll start focusing on the great expectations for the 2013 team.

There is a difference between making critical observations and just plain whining. Maybe folks should consider which one they are doing.

[fjblair]

As a matter of clarity and to satisfy my own curosity, I did a little research on Mr Norton. Do you know that he and and his wife only gives the paltry sum of $5000 annually to Yosef! With such feable support of the program how dare he expect more from it! Upon further examination I discovered the Norton's gave at the $10,000 level the previous three years. Ah ha! The the smoking gun! Obviously cutting his donation in half is proof positive of Mr Norton's vendetta against Coach Moore as claimed by Mr JCline.

Some of you guys are nuts!

What did you clarify exactly and what is your point?

[appdaze]

The Appalachian Masochists!! Ahhh now this is a good ole MMB typical thread!

[JCline0429]

"You and Norton may have a valid point if we were 2-9 last year and 1-7 this year...we made the playoffs last year and are in contention to do so again this year, let's slow down on the book of Revelation coming true...and as far as returning tickets, this is just plain dumb IMO, "I'll show you, I'll throw away my own money!"..Coach Moore is one of the most postive people I know (and I've spent time with him personally). The truth is that most positive people have zero time for negative nancys"

With the expectations of this program 7-4 might as well be 2-9. Simply making the playoffs isn't good enough for a fan base demanding to contend for the national championship every year. They have provided the resources necessary to compete for the championship on a regular basis and it is foolish to think they will be satisfied with anything less. Welcome to life at the top.

As a matter of clarity and to satisfy my own curosity, I did a little research on Mr Norton. Do you know that he and and his wife only gives the paltry sum of $5000 annually to Yosef! With such feable support of the program how dare he expect more from it! Upon further examination I discovered the Norton's gave at the $10,000 level the previous three years. Ah ha! The the smoking gun! Obviously cutting his donation in half is proof positive of Mr Norton's vendetta against Coach Moore as claimed by Mr JCline.

Some of you guys are nuts!

I base my vendetta claim on posts he made for a decade or more starting with the posts about us not having won a national championship and his comments about a disagreement with Moore over tickets years ago. He was one who incessantly dissed Moore because we had never made it to a National Championship game (finals). Then we won three consecutive National Championships and had the monumental Michigan win, I never saw even one positive post regarding Coach Moore. Over a decade quite often when we lost a game he thought we should win, he berated the staff and specifically Coach Moore and sometimes the program for lack of leadership, etc. When we preformed well, the the posts and insinuations about Coach Moore's character surfaced. I admire him for his large donations to the program but as one or more have said, that doesn't give him ownership of the program any more than we peons.
I suppose based on the posts in this thread, all of us are nuts except you and a couple others.

Based on our youth, lack of depth, and attrition, I predicted at the beginning of the season that we might end up 6-5. Even if we end up that way, you won't see a decline in my support, attendance, and support for the team and its leadership.
Now, why don't we get on to something positive for a change.

[Robert Norton]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

[JCline0429]

Bait? Yeah, right.

[Robert Norton]

Same old Joe Cline. Better get to the pride site and sooth your buddies. Or do you have a previous engagement? Again

[JCline0429]

Same old Joe Cline. Better get to the pride site and sooth your buddies. Or do you have a previous engagement? Again

Same old hater Norton. There are several of us App fans who don't act like assholes like you on the Catamount board. Get over yourself. There are several members of this board who have friends who are ECU and Elon fans. I'm not one of them, however. If you would treat the WCU fans with civility, you would get it in return. Of course you don't even have respect for many other App fans and the staff, so why should you?

[ASUMountaineer]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

Only $10,000...

[Kgfish]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

[appdaze]

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

Actually they are nothing a like. Last time I checked there were plenty of filthy rich liberals who invest in businesses as well. There are also plenty of poor conservatives who rage and complain about everything. It goes both ways. Please take your political blabbering to another board. This is a sports board. I'm sure Fox News or Rush Limbaugh has a board somewhere.

Props to Mr. Norton for the donations. Its going to take a lot to fund a possible move to FBS so we are going to need a lot more people to be as generous as you.

[JCline0429]

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

Actually they are nothing a like. Last time I checked there were plenty of filthy rich liberals who invest in businesses as well. There are also plenty of poor conservatives who rage and complain about everything. It goes both ways. Please take your political blabbering to another board. This is a sports board. I'm sure Fox News or Rush Limbaugh has a board somewhere.

Props to Mr. Norton for the donations. Its going to take a lot to fund a possible move to FBS so we are going to need a lot more people to be as generous as you.

Or Rachel "MadCow" Maddow or even Chris "Tingle Up My Leg" Matthews. Like you say it goes both ways.
As to donations, as you know, Clemson's program was first founded on "I Pay Ten A Year" (IPTAY)...not just large donors.

[ASUMountaineer]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

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[TheMoody1]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

Thank goodness most of the people who really give the most don't feel the need to go on message boards and brag about it. Y'all related to Trump?

[JCline0429]

Kgfish. Good research. I dropped from $10,000 to give more to some charities and to give to ASU Dugout Club. As Cline likes to harp on JM and I had a professional disagreement about tickets when I was ticket manager and he tried to circumvent rules. While living in Valle Crucis I used to go to practice about 3 days a week (before they banned it) and usually had a conversation with JM each time. You know some jumped to conclusions when I talked about a note. My note would address lack of discipline. By the way after being in education for 30 years I saw how kids could push buttons of educators. Think I did a good job of that.Bait, bait ,bait. Will have an important announcement in a few days.LOL

Mr Norton. most of the $50 wonders on here won't give as much in their lifetime as you did in one year. I am fascinated how those who give so little seem to beat their drum the loudest. Like those liberals who continually bust on the wealthy who only fund most of the companies in the country through their investments and hire thousands working for small businesses. Haters will hate.

Thank goodness most of the people who really give the most don't feel the need to go on message boards and brag about it. Y'all related to Trump?

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