Everyone should be happy with this one!

[bcoach]

They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. If coach does that and we lose a game I am behind him 100%. Until that day he is slowley losing me. I am tired of the excuses. Although you are correct, I don't care what they did in high school, or at home, what video games they play or anything else. I care what they do when they represent ASU. The majority do that very well. Others need to sit until they learn or leave.

[TheMoody1]

Celebrating a big play against the Can'tamounts is like a big brother bragging about beating up his sister. It just makes you look bad.

[BeauFoster]

I've honestly thought about letting the admin know that from now on, each celebration penalty will result in a $100 deduction from next year's Yosef donation. These guys that my donation supports represent ASU, and I'm not going to pay for their education if they continue to show their asses. I can give my money to other areas of the university.

[AppAttack]

Is Jamaal going to be available next week? What's the latest on him?

According to DJ, Jackson will be available. he was actually available for the 2nd half yesterday (per doctors), which is great news. I think the coaches did exactly the right thing in resting him since it appears we now have a legit backup and he was doing pretty well.

Thanks for the update, that's great news. Logan did very well, but it was WCU.

[WVAPPeer]

"They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. "

Couldn't disagree more - not for saluting your home crowd - really want Kimbrough to sit out next game? - I will explain why I am totally against this - IT PUNISHES THE ENTIRE TEAM - all these guys have worked for months to reach their goals - mistakes and stupid penalties happen - Yes, we must reduce both but you don't do that by putting the entire season in jeopardy by sitting guys - is a salute to the stands more costly than a flagrant late hit out of bounds? - you want to sit that guy as well? --- It needs to be stopped but not by sitting out a game ---

[Black Saturday]

"They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. "

Couldn't disagree more - not for saluting your home crowd - really want Kimbrough to sit out next game? - I will explain why I am totally against this - IT PUNISHES THE ENTIRE TEAM - all these guys have worked for months to reach their goals - mistakes and stupid penalties happen - Yes, we must reduce both but you don't do that by putting the entire season in jeopardy by sitting guys - is a salute to the stands more costly than a flagrant late hit out of bounds? - you want to sit that guy as well? --- It needs to be stopped but not by sitting out a game ---

I still think a run to the top of Howard's Knob at 5 AM on Sunday morning after the brain fart is the best answer so far. It'll get the culprit's attention and it'll spread quickly throughout the team. Or make it the whole team make the 3 miles up and 3 miles down, that crap will cease - quaranteed! The run up to the top and back will not compromise the integrity of our personnel for a game, and Robert can keep on gifting.

[WVAPPeer]

"They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. "

Couldn't disagree more - not for saluting your home crowd - really want Kimbrough to sit out next game? - I will explain why I am totally against this - IT PUNISHES THE ENTIRE TEAM - all these guys have worked for months to reach their goals - mistakes and stupid penalties happen - Yes, we must reduce both but you don't do that by putting the entire season in jeopardy by sitting guys - is a salute to the stands more costly than a flagrant late hit out of bounds? - you want to sit that guy as well? --- It needs to be stopped but not by sitting out a game ---

I still think a run to the top of Howard's Knob at 5 AM on Sunday morning after the brain fart is the best answer so far. It'll get the culprit's attention and it'll spread quickly throughout the team. Or make it the whole team make the 3 miles up and 3 miles down, that crap will cease - quaranteed! The run up to the top and back will not compromise the integrity of our personnel for a game, and Robert can keep on gifting.

Yep - I think that would work - Jim Valvano used to have a set-up where when they got to practice the next day he would have a lounge chair and a drink set up at mid-court - the offending person would have to sit in the chair and watch while all teammates ran their guts out - seemed to make a lasting affect

[AppGrad78]

I'm just as frustrated as the rest of you over the recent spate of misconduct penalties. But let's keep things in perspective. Until last week's sommersault by Joel Ross and this week's salutes by Patrick Blalock and Jeremy Kimbrough, the 2012 team has avoided those really stupid penalties. Last year and the year before, not so much. But this year, our endzone celebrations have been exactly what we would like -- hand the ball to the referee, perhaps a chest bump and then head to the bench. I'm not happy with our screwups yesterday, but I'm not ready to take up a pitchfork and march on Boone, either.

[ASU-FTW]

From the Can't board:

Heard all week that "you guys don't have a quarterback. Well Appy sees the beginning of what they lost. We have a legitimate quarterback and a team that is coming to take back their place in the SoCon. That noise ASU is hearing is the footsteps coming up behind them and they can't stand being challenged. Arrogance can both blind you and make you dumb.

I hope they enjoy the HUMBLED PIE that is being baked up for them. We have had our share and I dare say we will not forget what it taste like.

[TheMoody1]

We have a legitimate quarterback and a team that is coming to take back THEIR PLACE in the SoCon.

"Last" is their place, and they are already there.

[AppinATL]

From the Can't board:

Heard all week that "you guys don't have a quarterback. Well Appy sees the beginning of what they lost. We have a legitimate quarterback and a team that is coming to take back their place in the SoCon. That noise ASU is hearing is the footsteps coming up behind them and they can't stand being challenged. Arrogance can both blind you and make you dumb.

I hope they enjoy the HUMBLED PIE that is being baked up for them. We have had our share and I dare say we will not forget what it taste like.

Yeah, I saw that. Same $#it every year. It never ends. I've never seen a bigger trash-talking bunch of fans - especially for a team with such a spectacularly awful record. The only thing I can think of that keeps them going is their incredibly strong hatred and jealousy of our program.

[DaphneUrquhart]

Were all of you bemoaning the calls against Kimbrough and Blalock at the game? Those of you who know me, know that sportsmanship is a major thing for me. That said, I wasn't at all offended by either Kimbrough's or Blalock's reactions after the plays they made - especially when I compare them to the post-whistle helmet to helmet by a WCU player, the consistent post-whistle gang tackling by WCU, the WCU team piling onto the field after the fumble recovery, and Coach Spier being on the field as much as he was. Now, if there were "words" to go with actions, that's a whole different story.

I certainly understand and agree with the rules against taunting and excessive celebration. I'm not a fan of asking a kid who's just made a tremendous play to walk calmly off the field with his hands behind his back.

The refs, once again, did not change the outcome of the game. WCU is better than they were but still winless in the SoCon. At the end of the day, App has the W and the jug. It's great to be a Mountaineer!

[YesAppCan]

I think what is happening is that ASU has gotten a reputation for doing that stuff and the officials are most eager to throw the flags on us. I watched the video feed yesterday and I have seen much worse and questioned all day the antics of Speir on the field ( I think it was a bit WWF wrestling kind of move to put on a show for the home crowd--- but it'll sell tickets for them) as well as the tackling after the whistle. Saw BOTH teams jawing quite a bit.
Here is the bottom line though: We HAVE to be disciplined enough and not do things that will HURT OUR TEAM. We continue to do this stuff IMO.

[tea76]

In the post game interview, Kimbrough talked about the penalties and said that he was wrong in his actions and as a Senior would nip the on-field antics in the bud. Sounded like he was ready to address the issue with the team on the bus ride back to Boone.

[bcoach]

"They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. "

Couldn't disagree more - not for saluting your home crowd - really want Kimbrough to sit out next game? - I will explain why I am totally against this - IT PUNISHES THE ENTIRE TEAM - all these guys have worked for months to reach their goals - mistakes and stupid penalties happen - Yes, we must reduce both but you don't do that by putting the entire season in jeopardy by sitting guys - is a salute to the stands more costly than a flagrant late hit out of bounds? - you want to sit that guy as well? --- It needs to be stopped but not by sitting out a game ---

I understand your point but disagree. When you take the stand that a player is just too important to sit you create a bigger monster. Here is the problem with running. What do you do when he runs for a while and just falls down and says he can"t run anymore. See when you do that you let him determine the punishment. Running is fine for minor stuff. I don't see it as a salute I see it as a penalty that every single player, coach, fan, and administrator knows the ref is looking for. When winning is more important than the reputation of the university we are taking that first baby step toward the programs that make the headlines. I didn't see it as I couldn't get the feed and was listening but if there was a flag there was a flag.
Do I want him to sit out next game? I have thought about that a lot and no I don't. Here is why. The coachs have shown that these things are acceptable and it would not be fair to just all of a sudden do that after three years of acceptance. Here is what I do want. I want them to announce to the team that the new deal is that if you get this kind of penalty you sit the next game, AND THEN DO IT.

[WVAPPeer]

"I want them to announce to the team that the new deal is that if you get this kind of penalty you sit the next game, AND THEN DO IT."

and the flagrant late hit out of bounds that also leads to a 15 yard penalty?

[bcoach]

"I want them to announce to the team that the new deal is that if you get this kind of penalty you sit the next game, AND THEN DO IT."

and the flagrant late hit out of bounds that also leads to a 15 yard penalty?

that would be a yes

[WVAPPeer]

"I want them to announce to the team that the new deal is that if you get this kind of penalty you sit the next game, AND THEN DO IT."

and the flagrant late hit out of bounds that also leads to a 15 yard penalty?

that would be a yes

Yes - meaning that player would be suspended as well? ---

[Appsolutely]

"THAT WOULD PUNISH THE ENTIRE TEAM"

So, I assume you don't believe that peer pressure from teammates works.
OK, so exactly how would YOU handle excessive celebration penalties?

[WVAPPeer]

"THAT WOULD PUNISH THE ENTIRE TEAM"

So, I assume you don't believe that peer pressure from teammates works.
OK, so exactly how would YOU handle excessive celebration penalties?

Peer pressure can work - of course, - but not to the detriment of the entire team - if players were suspended for fouls on the field of play then how is peer pressure going to change that - there have been a couple of suggestions posted throughout this thread and I'm sure others have additional suggestions - As I mentioned, do you also suspend the player who gets a 15 yard penalty for a flagrant late hit? - both bone-head plays right? - what about the OL who jumps early when we have a 4th and 1 on the 1 yard line - All he had to do was listen to the count - right? - and the DL who jumps off-sides when our opponents have a 4th and 4? - all he had to do was watch the ball - right?

my point is all bone-headed penalties hurt and sometimes the 5 yard variety can be worse than the 15 - Where do you draw the line for suspensions? ---