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[311neers]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

Clemson is definitely afraid of joining and going 8-4 every year. But some of their fans claim they want to go independent and get a tv contract like ND. Only issue with that is no one outside of Seneca watches them. They’ve excelled but in a very weak conference. We will keep it close next year in Clemson.

[311neers]

Just got done with a lunch with Clemson AD Graham Neff and USCjr associate AD Chance Miller. A lot of updates on Clemson/ACC but more importantly on App/USCjr contract. Someone may have already stated the following so apologize if that’s the case.

I asked Miller about our contract/games with the cocks. They already got out of coming to Boone-it’s a done deal. Mentioned they got $5M to go play VT in Atlanta instead. He had nice things to say about Gillin. He did say they agreed to 2 future dates with us but in Columbia. Just doesn’t make sense for them to keep those OOC small games when they might go to 9 SEC games/year plus adding Oklahoma/UT and keeping Clemson every year.

https://fbschedules.com/south-carolina- ... re-series/
Guess I am 2 years late to this.

[appgrad95&97]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

[bcoach]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

The more money you have the better players you can buy.

[311neers]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

The more money you have the better players you can buy.

Case in Point Mizzou. Have been a pretty mediocre program but Drink has bought some solid recruits thru NIL.

[MrCraig]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

[BallantyneApp]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

Like everything else it’s about money and Mississippi state has the least in the SEC. If they weren’t in the right place at the right time 100 years ago they’d probably be in the sunbelt with us.

[AtlAppMan]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

Like everything else it’s about money and Mississippi state has the least in the SEC. If they weren’t in the right place at the right time 100 years ago they’d probably be in the sunbelt with us.

I will never say “being in the right place at the right” isn’t part of any opportunity but to say you were 100 yrs ago so therefore that is key to where you are today is a big leap. You are ignoring all the othe moves the people involved with Miss St have made over that period.

Suwanee College was in the right place 100 yrs ago too but took a completely different path. There has been way too much history since to use that logic.

[AppinVA]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

This goes to a whole ‘nother level when read in the voice of the SEC Shorts dude.

[appgrad95&97]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

I wasn't attempting to be disrespectful of Miss. St. I just look at the SEC and see a bunch of teams that really don't have a real chance to win the conference. Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy in the East and Arkansas and Miss. St. in the West. But they are still cashing BIG checks.

[appst89]

Mississippi State was the first ever #1 team in the CFP poll era. I don't think I would classify them as a school that can never win the conference.

[MrCraig]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

I wasn't attempting to be disrespectful of Miss. St. I just look at the SEC and see a bunch of teams that really don't have a real chance to win the conference. Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy in the East and Arkansas and Miss. St. in the West. But they are still cashing BIG checks.

I know what you mean. If/When we get to the point of just 2 big conferences or whatever, Mississippi State would probably not be lumped in with Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, LSU, USC, Michigan, etc. etc.

Even as a fair-weather fan due to family and tradition, Miss State is definitely in that second tier of teams like Wisconsin, Michigan State, NC State, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, etc. who are almost always pretty good, but never the best.

[MrCraig]

I just don't get why FSU or Clemson would want to leave the winnable ACC and jump into the meat grinder that is the SEC. What good is all that money if you are going 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 almost every year and you are maybe going to be a playoff team every 10 years or so.

$$$$ > Wins. That's all any of this has been about. You think Vandy or Mississippi St. are complaining?

Because I am pedantic and have family that went/go to Mississippi State, I would like to point out that MSU has had a far better football history than Vandy. Miss State has won 83 games over the last 10 years. That's more than Arkansas (56), Ole Miss (77), and Kentucky (68).

However, I agree that schools like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt probably love all that football money because it helps fund their championship winning baseball programs and successful men's and women's basketball programs.

It doesn't matter, it just chaps me a little when people start talking about the bottom of the SEC and mention Mississippi State. They are SOLIDLY middle-of-the-pack lol.

Like everything else it’s about money and Mississippi state has the least in the SEC. If they weren’t in the right place at the right time 100 years ago they’d probably be in the sunbelt with us.

I will never say “being in the right place at the right” isn’t part of any opportunity but to say you were 100 yrs ago so therefore that is key to where you are today is a big leap. You are ignoring all the othe moves the people involved with Miss St have made over that period.

Suwanee College was in the right place 100 yrs ago too but took a completely different path. There has been way too much history since to use that logic.

It also annoys me that these conversations only orbit around football. Vanderbilt and Mississippi State, seen as low on the totem pole in football, have both won National Championships in baseball within the last 5 years. But football is where the money's at, so....

[appgrad95&97]

Mississippi State was the first ever #1 team in the CFP poll era. I don't think I would classify them as a school that can never win the conference.

They also last won the SEC in 1941. Their only divisional title was 1998. I stand by my comment.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Contractually, ESPN (Pete Thamel and many others have reported this) has to pay their new numbers at least 70% ($24 million) of what their members are currently getting, does anyone know if we've tried to backdoor our way into the conference that way? If the ACC added the 4 PAC 12 schools left, SMU, and a few others here, it could help our program out by increasing our tv money but also the rest of the ACC as well by adding teams at a discount and distributing the rest. Seems like a win-win for everyone.