College Game Day

[appgrad95&97]

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

You have multiple people telling you what lead to the past season (again, not unexpected by anybody on staff or administration) but you fail to accept that as a reason we saw what we saw. So, yes, this just shows you have limited knowledge of what is happening. Thanks for proving the point by yourself!

If you choose to be negative because you don't want to believe what you're told, that is your right. But, it's also our right to call you out on the ignorance. If you want to continue harping on your ignorance, go ahead.

Bottom line -- it's hard to maintain a program as long as we have at the FBS level without any other influences. Add in minimal budget compared to our peers (getting better), a pandemic (yes all schools had to go through this, but not all schools had to deal with it with a brand new HC and budget cuts at the same time), 5 OCs in 5 years, 3 head coaching changes, a previous HC that failed to recruit needs, a defensive scheme that is unique and requires the right players and development time (see previous point of failing to recruit needs), and much more. This list is just the tip of the iceberg.

The odds were stacked against Clark from the get go. The fact he brought us to the SBC CG in 2021 was a great achievement but should be attributed to the super seniors getting another year. But, that also threw off the blueprint to fix the issues. As I said earlier, I expect next year to be better than this past season, but still don't think it'll be a 2019 type team (unless we find some o line in the transfer portal that are studs). Some of you will think a 9-4 season with a loss in the SBC CG and a bowl win is a failure of a season though.

You're a condescending asshole. I get that now.

[AppStateNews]

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

You have multiple people telling you what lead to the past season (again, not unexpected by anybody on staff or administration) but you fail to accept that as a reason we saw what we saw. So, yes, this just shows you have limited knowledge of what is happening. Thanks for proving the point by yourself!

If you choose to be negative because you don't want to believe what you're told, that is your right. But, it's also our right to call you out on the ignorance. If you want to continue harping on your ignorance, go ahead.

Bottom line -- it's hard to maintain a program as long as we have at the FBS level without any other influences. Add in minimal budget compared to our peers (getting better), a pandemic (yes all schools had to go through this, but not all schools had to deal with it with a brand new HC and budget cuts at the same time), 5 OCs in 5 years, 3 head coaching changes, a previous HC that failed to recruit needs, a defensive scheme that is unique and requires the right players and development time (see previous point of failing to recruit needs), and much more. This list is just the tip of the iceberg.

The odds were stacked against Clark from the get go. The fact he brought us to the SBC CG in 2021 was a great achievement but should be attributed to the super seniors getting another year. But, that also threw off the blueprint to fix the issues. As I said earlier, I expect next year to be better than this past season, but still don't think it'll be a 2019 type team (unless we find some o line in the transfer portal that are studs). Some of you will think a 9-4 season with a loss in the SBC CG and a bowl win is a failure of a season though.

You're a condescending asshole. I get that now.

If not being negative and trying to spread knowledge of what's going on makes me what you say, sure. But, I'd rather be that than be negative all the time like you are. I choose to actually take knowledge that people give and process my thoughts than think everyone is wrong because I didn't like what I saw on the field. But hey, to each their own. If you want to continue being negative even with facts the sky is not falling, that's your choice. And it's my choice to continue calling you out on it. I'll just choose the high road and won't use personal attacks and foul language. Again, to each their own.

You didn't think I was a condescending asshole when I gave my blood, sweet, and tears to the program you claim to love though.

[goapps93]

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

You have multiple people telling you what lead to the past season (again, not unexpected by anybody on staff or administration) but you fail to accept that as a reason we saw what we saw. So, yes, this just shows you have limited knowledge of what is happening. Thanks for proving the point by yourself!

If you choose to be negative because you don't want to believe what you're told, that is your right. But, it's also our right to call you out on the ignorance. If you want to continue harping on your ignorance, go ahead.

Bottom line -- it's hard to maintain a program as long as we have at the FBS level without any other influences. Add in minimal budget compared to our peers (getting better), a pandemic (yes all schools had to go through this, but not all schools had to deal with it with a brand new HC and budget cuts at the same time), 5 OCs in 5 years, 3 head coaching changes, a previous HC that failed to recruit needs, a defensive scheme that is unique and requires the right players and development time (see previous point of failing to recruit needs), and much more. This list is just the tip of the iceberg.

The odds were stacked against Clark from the get go. The fact he brought us to the SBC CG in 2021 was a great achievement but should be attributed to the super seniors getting another year. But, that also threw off the blueprint to fix the issues. As I said earlier, I expect next year to be better than this past season, but still don't think it'll be a 2019 type team (unless we find some o line in the transfer portal that are studs). Some of you will think a 9-4 season with a loss in the SBC CG and a bowl win is a failure of a season though.

You're a condescending asshole. I get that now.

Plenty of those on this board. I wish people on here would post like they would speak to someone in person.

[appst89]

They opened the segment with the Hail-Mary and the Fans on the field and within the segment they showed the TD reception against Texas A&M and the interview with Coach Clark after the game with a shot of the fans in downtown Boone --- How many millions saw that this morning??? - How many of those millions would know we had a mediocre season??? - Few, is my guess

Why do we care what they think?

Publicity is nice, but it doesn’t win games. Ask Jimbo.

[PhillyApp1]

They opened the segment with the Hail-Mary and the Fans on the field and within the segment they showed the TD reception against Texas A&M and the interview with Coach Clark after the game with a shot of the fans in downtown Boone --- How many millions saw that this morning??? - How many of those millions would know we had a mediocre season??? - Few, is my guess

Why do we care what they think?

Publicity is nice, but it doesn’t win games. Ask Jimbo.

Publicity helps with espn numbers
But that's about it

[appst89]

Who cares. Shawn Clark has run this program into the ground. If you thought the hes been horrible so far....just wait until next year. Sick to my stomach over losing all that was built.

Please tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Clark is indefensible at this point. Maybe he can turn things around. But he has done absolutely nothing that indicates he can compete in a much better Sunbelt. Okay, now it's your turn to somehow bame Drink for this.

He's only indefensible for those that have no idea what they're talking about.... There's a reason he's not on the hot seat by anybody but the casual fan base. Everybody with any kind of knowledge of what's going on knew this past season was likely to happen.

There is a great deal of concern on the BOT.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

That's not what you did, but ok. You started off with a statement that basically says "you're an idiot for thinking national attention is good because we still went 6-6 and we are a terrible program with a crap coach."

Obviously that is extreme and that is not what you meant, but with your constant negativity, that's what it came off as.

Posting something you might not agree with doesn't make someone a negative person. You think because I'm not happy after the way 2021 ended and the not meeting expectations of 2022 that it makes me negative person? Are there some on here that come across as hoping App loses, sure but that isn't me. Are my expectations high, maybe, but does it make me a negative person for expressing those feels, no.

[AppStateNews]

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

That's not what you did, but ok. You started off with a statement that basically says "you're an idiot for thinking national attention is good because we still went 6-6 and we are a terrible program with a crap coach."

Obviously that is extreme and that is not what you meant, but with your constant negativity, that's what it came off as.

Posting something you might not agree with doesn't make someone a negative person. You think because I'm not happy after the way 2021 ended and the not meeting expectations of 2022 that it makes me negative person? Are there some on here that come across as hoping App loses, sure but that isn't me. Are my expectations high, maybe, but does it make me a negative person for expressing those feels, no.

It seems I may have confused you with another member and I apologize for that. It's hard to remember who all the Negative Nancy's are.

Not being happy about this past season is perfectly appropriate. If we were happy about it, we wouldn't be the program we are. But there's a big difference between being unhappy about it and downright denying the issues we saw are fixable and will be fixed with the same HC at the helm. Not saying that's what you are doing, but that is what a big portion of this board is doing.

[AppinVA]

It is okay to be frustrated with how the season played out and proud of what we saw on ESPN today.

And in the words of Forrest Gump, at this point “that’s all I’ve got to say about that.”

[MrCraig]

They opened the segment with the Hail-Mary and the Fans on the field and within the segment they showed the TD reception against Texas A&M and the interview with Coach Clark after the game with a shot of the fans in downtown Boone --- How many millions saw that this morning??? - How many of those millions would know we had a mediocre season??? - Few, is my guess

Why do we care what they think?

Publicity is nice, but it doesn’t win games. Ask Jimbo.

Publicity DOES increase applications to the school, increase donations, and helps with recruiting— all of which can help win games in one way or another.

[Bootsy]

If the poster-on-poster violence will pause for a sec, I wanted to wish y'all a Happy New Year.

[Yosefus]

If the poster-on-poster violence will pause for a sec, I wanted to wish y'all a Happy New Year.

Happy New Year to you and All!
I hope no one takes offense.

[Yosefus]

One thing that concerns me, the amount of movement in the transfer portal and NIL. My fear is even if we had a Nick Saban at the helm we may start getting left way behind on a national level. Only the big schools with the Big money will compete at the higher levels. Only the G5 schools with deep pockets will be top 25. App and probably most G5 will be left in the dust and never smell a ranking in the future. We will always be the underdog at higher levels but gap will widen. Just hope we can continue to compete at G5 level. This is not related to any coaching concerns conversation.

[Stonewall]

Who cares. Shawn Clark has run this program into the ground. If you thought the hes been horrible so far....just wait until next year. Sick to my stomach over losing all that was built.

Please tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Clark is indefensible at this point. Maybe he can turn things around. But he has done absolutely nothing that indicates he can compete in a much better Sunbelt. Okay, now it's your turn to somehow bame Drink for this.

He's only indefensible for those that have no idea what they're talking about.... There's a reason he's not on the hot seat by anybody but the casual fan base. Everybody with any kind of knowledge of what's going on knew this past season was likely to happen.

There is a great deal of concern on the BOT.

A great deal of concern there, and beyond.

[WVAPPeer]

They opened the segment with the Hail-Mary and the Fans on the field and within the segment they showed the TD reception against Texas A&M and the interview with Coach Clark after the game with a shot of the fans in downtown Boone --- How many millions saw that this morning??? - How many of those millions would know we had a mediocre season??? - Few, is my guess

Why do we care what they think?

Publicity is nice, but it doesn’t win games. Ask Jimbo.

Again, in case you missed it - this was my point - nothing more
"I said nothing about liking the record or anything near that - I am responding to those who think the APP brand is nose diving on the national level, this shows it isn't."

[AppStFan1]

Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

Whether fair or not, we got big money boosters who wanted a change now but allowed Clark to make changes and give him a chance to improve because he is well liked. A quick turnaround can happen due to portal so they do expect to see some more wins. You and many others, including myself, really want Shawn to succeed and be retained but another 6-6 season and he will be gone. I wanted Shawn to get 2023 and I’m glad he did but if we go 6-6 or worse I will support making a change. This will be year four. You can’t wait 3 years to identify problems. I’m hopeful we can show some improvement. Shawn said on zoom call that the admin is doing everything they need to be successful and he is very happy with last few classes. We can’t keep blaming Drink’s bad recruiting.

[AppStFan1]

They opened the segment with the Hail-Mary and the Fans on the field and within the segment they showed the TD reception against Texas A&M and the interview with Coach Clark after the game with a shot of the fans in downtown Boone --- How many millions saw that this morning??? - How many of those millions would know we had a mediocre season??? - Few, is my guess

Why do we care what they think?

Publicity is nice, but it doesn’t win games. Ask Jimbo.

Again, in case you missed it - this was my point - nothing more
"I said nothing about liking the record or anything near that - I am responding to those who think the APP brand is nose diving on the national level, this shows it isn't."

I’m with you. I don’t care what millions think about our season. I care about the facts. The fact is we went 6-6 and that isn’t acceptable.

[BambooRdApp]

I care about winning and what millions think about our season. If millions care and/or casually care about App. St....may help brand and potentially help to get more showings on main networks of the mothership....which helps the football program in recruiting, etc if a kid thinks they have more opportunities to be on TV.
On a side note, I did like that NFL Network showed several college games last year. Hope we get one of those spots next year.

[AppSt94]

On a side note. How many non App, Sun Belt folks have asked why we were 6-6 this year? I’m guessing it was fewer than those that bring up beating Michigan or A&M.

[AppStFan1]

I care about winning and what millions think about our season. If millions care and/or casually care about App. St....may help brand and potentially help to get more showings on main networks of the mothership....which helps the football program in recruiting, etc if a kid thinks they have more opportunities to be on TV.
On a side note, I did like that NFL Network showed several college games last year. Hope we get one of those spots next year.

If we don’t win then they will eventually stop caring.