Recruiting, 2015

[firemoose]

The Lexington Dispatch has published a good story on Davis' commitment:

http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/201 ... -App-State

Looks like it got moved. Try this link.

http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/201 ... um=twitter

[firemoose]

From internet reports ATH Khylil Miller (6′ 2″ 170) of North Davidson High School in Lexington, NC has received a reported offer from App. A player page with highlights has been added to the Main Page. He took a visit to App on Thursday and reportedly left with an offer. The Rivals 2 star is showing additional reported offers from Charleston Southern, ECU, Ga. Sou, ODU, and UNCC.

[YesAppCan]

Thanks Moose and thanks Charlie for the article find. Sounds like a keeper!

[JMappfan5]

I found this quote on NC Preps Message Board:

"What people didn't know was that Khylil Miller from North Davidson and Akeem Davis grew up together and are real close. They said in the beginning that they wanted to play college ball together but Khylil got some offers that Akeem didn't get and Akeem got some offers that Khylil didn't get. Either way, they both will be very successful at the next level and we all know nothing is official until Signing Day".

Would be nice to get Khylil and Akeem in the Black & Gold.

[mtnjax]

I found this quote on NC Preps Message Board:

"What people didn't know was that Khylil Miller from North Davidson and Akeem Davis grew up together and are real close. They said in the beginning that they wanted to play college ball together but Khylil got some offers that Akeem didn't get and Akeem got some offers that Khylil didn't get. Either way, they both will be very successful at the next level and we all know nothing is official until Signing Day".

Would be nice to get Khylil and Akeem in the Black & Gold.

we'd need to offer Kyhlil first. he doesn't have one from us listed, as of right now. looks like he did take an unofficial recently though

[WVAPPeer]

I found this quote on NC Preps Message Board:

"What people didn't know was that Khylil Miller from North Davidson and Akeem Davis grew up together and are real close. They said in the beginning that they wanted to play college ball together but Khylil got some offers that Akeem didn't get and Akeem got some offers that Khylil didn't get. Either way, they both will be very successful at the next level and we all know nothing is official until Signing Day".

Would be nice to get Khylil and Akeem in the Black & Gold.

we'd need to offer Kyhlil first. he doesn't have one from us listed, as of right now. looks like he did take an unofficial recently though

Well according to FireMoose -
"Postby firemoose » August 16th, 2014, 12:15 am

From internet reports ATH Khylil Miller (6′ 2″ 170) of North Davidson High School in Lexington, NC has received a reported offer from App. A player page with highlights has been added to the Main Page. He took a visit to App on Thursday and reportedly left with an offer. The Rivals 2 star is showing additional reported offers from Charleston Southern, ECU, Ga. Sou, ODU, and UNCC"

[mtnjax]

Completely missed that lol. I was checking his 247Sports page

[WVAPPeer]

Completely missed that lol. I was checking his 247Sports page

The MOOSE is The MAN!!! ---

[hapapp]

It's a rainy Monday and I had nothing else to do so...I looked at the G5 recruiting numbers to date.

The average # of recruits per conference:

AAC 12
MAC 12
CUSA 11.9
SBC 10
MWC 6

The leaders for each conference had around 20 or so at this point. It will be interesting to see how many they hold onto.

Does anyone know (Moose?) how many we had at this time last year?

[JTApps1]

It's a rainy Monday and I had nothing else to do so...I looked at the G5 recruiting numbers to date.

The average # of recruits per conference:

AAC 12
MAC 12
CUSA 11.9
SBC 10
MWC 6

The leaders for each conference had around 20 or so at this point. It will be interesting to see how many they hold onto.

Does anyone know (Moose?) how many we had at this time last year?

Looking back at last years thread we received our 13th commit on 8/19. Of course 2 of those (Wells and Schafe) later decomitted.

[mtnjax]

Appstatesports.com officially welcoming Collin Reed since he signed a financial aid agreement. Man I hope we didn't commit some kind of a violation with that

[firemoose]

Appstatesports.com officially welcoming Collin Reed since he signed a financial aid agreement. Man I hope we didn't commit some kind of a violation with that

No violation. He is planning to enroll in January and he can sign the FAA anytime after Aug 1st. All it says is that App is locking up his spot. We have to abide by it but he or any player can sign multiple FAA's with as many schools and can back out anytime before signing day. Don't see that as a problem with Reed as he is as committed as one can be to App but that's the rules as far as a FAA go.

Along with the option for players to sign financial aid agreements as early as Aug. 1, the NCAA loosened recruiting restrictions on colleges that received financial aid agreement signatures from players, allowing colleges to openly talk with media about players who had signed a financial aid agreement with them and letting colleges communicate as often as they wanted with signed players. It can get messy with P5 and others where players sign multiple FAA's but I don't think we would have said anything if we weren't sure about him.

Have moved him to the Signed FAA section on the Main Page.

[firemoose]

It's a rainy Monday and I had nothing else to do so...I looked at the G5 recruiting numbers to date.

The average # of recruits per conference:

AAC 12
MAC 12
CUSA 11.9
SBC 10
MWC 6

The leaders for each conference had around 20 or so at this point. It will be interesting to see how many they hold onto.

Does anyone know (Moose?) how many we had at this time last year?

Sorry hap but I was working on a few things and I forgot to respond to this question. JT is right on the number at this time last year. We had 13 and lost 2 of those. I'm not worried right now at all as we're still just under six months until signing day. We were around #5 or so in the Belt at this time last year.

Several things to mention. The top schools currently in the Belt are indeed around 10-20 or so players but write those players down and compare them to the list come signing day. It will be different. Many of the top recruits for the top 4 schools in the Belt had one or two offers when they committed. Most of them now have several more and keep picking them up.

Most of the players we've offered, including the realistic get players, have had or do have multiple offers and many of them haven't taken a visit yet. We tend to pick up more commits once we get players on campus. Many are planning on coming to games so those visits will start soon. One other thing to keep in mind for those that want to see us with a top class again. We are taking around 18 players this year. Any schools that take more than that can be higher ranked than us by just having one or two players with 2 or more stars since all the ratings are added together to get the rank.

Personally I'm not really bothering myself to compare our class to the others since so many things will change (Ark St currently has the #55 class nationally. That's better than 12 BCS programs. We'll see where it is come signing day). I'll begin to watch more closely in Jan (and in late Nov for the early enrollees). I just want us to get the players in the areas of need that we have set and want as many of our commits to be players who really want to come here instead of players who commit to App as a place holder in case a better offer doesn't come along.

[hapapp]

It's a rainy Monday and I had nothing else to do so...I looked at the G5 recruiting numbers to date.

The average # of recruits per conference:

AAC 12
MAC 12
CUSA 11.9
SBC 10
MWC 6

The leaders for each conference had around 20 or so at this point. It will be interesting to see how many they hold onto.

Does anyone know (Moose?) how many we had at this time last year?

Sorry hap but I was working on a few things and I forgot to respond to this question. JT is right on the number at this time last year. We had 13 and lost 2 of those. I'm not worried right now at all as we're still just under six months until signing day. We were around #5 or so in the Belt at this time last year.

Several things to mention. The top schools currently in the Belt are indeed around 10-20 or so players but write those players down and compare them to the list come signing day. It will be different. Many of the top recruits for the top 4 schools in the Belt had one or two offers when they committed. Most of them now have several more and keep picking them up.

Most of the players we've offered, including the realistic get players, have had or do have multiple offers and many of them haven't taken a visit yet. We tend to pick up more commits once we get players on campus. Many are planning on coming to games so those visits will start soon. One other thing to keep in mind for those that want to see us with a top class again. We are taking around 18 players this year. Any schools that take more than that can be higher ranked than us by just having one or two players with 2 or more stars since all the ratings are added together to get the rank.

Personally I'm not really bothering myself to compare our class to the others since so many things will change (Ark St currently has the #55 class nationally. That's better than 12 BCS programs. We'll see where it is come signing day). I'll begin to watch more closely in Jan (and in late Nov for the early enrollees). I just want us to get the players in the areas of need that we have set and want as many of our commits to be players who really want to come here instead of players who commit to App as a place holder in case a better offer doesn't come along.

All solid points. I would also think that year 2 could be a bit more difficult simply because of the success of last year. Assuming the class pans out, that means there are more folks for any new recruit to compete against for playing time. We had a lot of needs in this class, we might not be as appealing to some as we were for the 2014 class. Make any sense?

[EastHallApp]

The disparities in commit numbers aren't anything unusual or really an indicator of how a school's class will turn out. To look at other leagues:

SEC - South Carolina and Miss. St. already have 27 each. LSU has 15, Florida has 11.

Big Ten - PSU, Wisconsin and Rutgers have 19 each. Michigan has 10.

Pac 12 - Arizona has 22; USC has 16, UCLA 14, Oregon 12.


All of those teams with the smaller numbers traditionally are among the best recruiting schools in their leagues, and are on pace to do so again this year. Sometimes having fewer early commits just means you're being more selective. And at the G5 level, possibly that you're targeting fewer recruits who are ultimately likely to decommit.

[firemoose]

It's a rainy Monday and I had nothing else to do so...I looked at the G5 recruiting numbers to date.

The average # of recruits per conference:

AAC 12
MAC 12
CUSA 11.9
SBC 10
MWC 6

The leaders for each conference had around 20 or so at this point. It will be interesting to see how many they hold onto.

Does anyone know (Moose?) how many we had at this time last year?

Sorry hap but I was working on a few things and I forgot to respond to this question. JT is right on the number at this time last year. We had 13 and lost 2 of those. I'm not worried right now at all as we're still just under six months until signing day. We were around #5 or so in the Belt at this time last year.

Several things to mention. The top schools currently in the Belt are indeed around 10-20 or so players but write those players down and compare them to the list come signing day. It will be different. Many of the top recruits for the top 4 schools in the Belt had one or two offers when they committed. Most of them now have several more and keep picking them up.

Most of the players we've offered, including the realistic get players, have had or do have multiple offers and many of them haven't taken a visit yet. We tend to pick up more commits once we get players on campus. Many are planning on coming to games so those visits will start soon. One other thing to keep in mind for those that want to see us with a top class again. We are taking around 18 players this year. Any schools that take more than that can be higher ranked than us by just having one or two players with 2 or more stars since all the ratings are added together to get the rank.

Personally I'm not really bothering myself to compare our class to the others since so many things will change (Ark St currently has the #55 class nationally. That's better than 12 BCS programs. We'll see where it is come signing day). I'll begin to watch more closely in Jan (and in late Nov for the early enrollees). I just want us to get the players in the areas of need that we have set and want as many of our commits to be players who really want to come here instead of players who commit to App as a place holder in case a better offer doesn't come along.

All solid points. I would also think that year 2 could be a bit more difficult simply because of the success of last year. Assuming the class pans out, that means there are more folks for any new recruit to compete against for playing time. We had a lot of needs in this class, we might not be as appealing to some as we were for the 2014 class. Make any sense?

Very much so. Last year, in addition to having to build up towards the scholarship limits, we were trying to build depth across the board plus bring in some players at positions that we had a real need to see if we could find a few that could compete as freshmen. This year, even though looking at the board it shows we've pretty much offered in all areas, many of those offers were shoot for the stars offers. We have narrowed somewhat our areas of need with the reduced class for this year. Ideally, for an FBS program, you would like to be to the point that you redshirt most every freshman to get them into the S & C program and to get them a year on the scout team. Of course that's more likely at the P5 level than ours but really you want to limit the number of true freshmen playing, unless you just hit on a player that is so good they just blow it out in camp. Plus, if you have an area that becomes a sudden need, you can pick up a JUCO or two to fill the need and keep the classes balanced. Overall though, that is the goal for most FBS programs. We're several years away from that with the larger classes we've picked up to make the jump. It'll take a few years to get the balance we need but once we do the aim is to be at least three deep at all positions with little dropoff, with the rest being role players. And the recruits working a year to develop and learn so you don't throw them to the wolves.

Of course this is the "perfect world" situation and we all know how that works out. No matter what level there will always be areas of need due to unforeseen situations. But that is the blueprint to building a successful program.

[EastHallApp]

Ideally, for an FBS program, you would like to be to the point that you redshirt most every freshman to get them into the S & C program and to get them a year on the scout team. Of course that's more likely at the P5 level than ours but really you want to limit the number of true freshmen playing, unless you just hit on a player that is so good they just blow it out in camp. Plus, if you have an area that becomes a sudden need, you can pick up a JUCO or two to fill the need and keep the classes balanced. Overall though, that is the goal for most FBS programs.

You make a lot of great points, but IMO this is a bit of a common misconception. There is certainly a lot of value in being able to redshirt players. However, realistically, one of the things recruits mention most often is their desire to play early. And that's a potential differentiator for App vs. P5 schools. A recruit who has offers from lower-level P5 schools might come here for the chance to play immediately vs. redshirting and then working his way up the depth chart for a couple years.

Most P5 teams don't redshirt nearly everyone either. Just the way it goes - kids are impatient. For that matter, so are coaches.

[firemoose]

Ideally, for an FBS program, you would like to be to the point that you redshirt most every freshman to get them into the S & C program and to get them a year on the scout team. Of course that's more likely at the P5 level than ours but really you want to limit the number of true freshmen playing, unless you just hit on a player that is so good they just blow it out in camp. Plus, if you have an area that becomes a sudden need, you can pick up a JUCO or two to fill the need and keep the classes balanced. Overall though, that is the goal for most FBS programs.

You make a lot of great points, but IMO this is a bit of a common misconception. There is certainly a lot of value in being able to redshirt players. However, realistically, one of the things recruits mention most often is their desire to play early. And that's a potential differentiator for App vs. P5 schools. A recruit who has offers from lower-level P5 schools might come here for the chance to play immediately vs. redshirting and then working his way up the depth chart for a couple years.

Most P5 teams don't redshirt nearly everyone either. Just the way it goes - kids are impatient. For that matter, so are coaches.

I didn't say it worked that way. I said Ideally. If you ask most any coach at the FBS level they will tell you that is the ideal situation. Every kid that steps on campus has the chance to compete for a spot but, if you have quality depth built then the chances of them actually being able to do it are slim, especially in the interior. And I did point out that, while it's more likely at the P5 level than G5 level, the reason is even the P5 schools sign lower ranked recruits they poach from our level when they miss on their offered players. But the next year they will go right back to recruiting for that spot and might land a 4 or 5 star that will keep that other recruit down the chart. Every year App, as a G5 school, will have some players who can and will start as freshmen. But the more you can develop the better you will be.

[JMappfan5]

Hey Moose....any recruits scheduled to visit this weekend?

[firemoose]

Hey Moose....any recruits scheduled to visit this weekend?

I'm working on that and hope to have something up this afternoon. As you can guess I've had a few other things going but I'll let everyone know ASAP.