Who stays, who goes?

[BeauFoster]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Yeah, but these threads never stay on topic. Give me a break.

[The Rock]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

Wiley ran the 3-4 Base defense at WCU before he was let go 2 weeks ago.
http://www.catamountsports.com/ViewArti ... =211734580

Yeah, he ran that, BEFORE he was let go from WESTERN CAROLINA.
I know we had success with him at an FCS level 10+ years ago, but I don’t want anyone who couldn’t succeed at WCU to be our DC.
Not to sound elitist, but we are better than that.
We don’t need to get too hung up on getting an all App staff. Having an App guy at HC is awesome, but there are great position coaches available from all over the country. We can attract great coaches from all over.

[Appstate88]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

Wiley ran the 3-4 Base defense at WCU before he was let go 2 weeks ago.
http://www.catamountsports.com/ViewArti ... =211734580

Yeah, he ran that, BEFORE he was let go from WESTERN CAROLINA.
I know we had success with him at an FCS level 10+ years ago, but I don’t want anyone who couldn’t succeed at WCU to be our DC.
Not to sound elitist, but we are better than that.
We don’t need to get too hung up on getting an all App staff. Having an App guy at HC is awesome, but there are great position coaches available from all over the country. We can attract great coaches from all over.

I certainly agree. Let’s find the best position coaches that can recruit P5 talent.

[T-Dog]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

I was not advocating for either to come back, I was replying to the asinine statement that Roof is the best DC App has had in the last 30 years.

[WVAPPeer]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

I was not advocating for either to come back, I was replying to the asinine statement that Roof is the best DC App has had in the last 30 years.

Nor was I - you guys take a minute and go back a couple of posts to see what we are discussing

[ggasu]

Harbison and Link were expected

Smith was a big surprise for me...wish him all the best ...probably a 3x raise

[appstatealum]

Hearing that Evans is deciding to stay. He wants to come back for the special season. That is great to hear. I know some folks were in his ear and supposedly had him thinking he should leave early. I wonder if Clark being HC helped at all or he had already flipped the decision?

According to some people close to him, it was a stretch for him to actually leave. While he was looking into what his prospects would be, it was nothing more than casual looking and Evans not being bashful talking about it.

[AppinVA]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

Wiley ran the 3-4 Base defense at WCU before he was let go 2 weeks ago.
http://www.catamountsports.com/ViewArti ... =211734580

Yeah, he ran that, BEFORE he was let go from WESTERN CAROLINA.
I know we had success with him at an FCS level 10+ years ago, but I don’t want anyone who couldn’t succeed at WCU to be our DC.
Not to sound elitist, but we are better than that.
We don’t need to get too hung up on getting an all App staff. Having an App guy at HC is awesome, but there are great position coaches available from all over the country. We can attract great coaches from all over.

In fairness, you’ve now cut this list down to zero.

[JMappfan5]

I would love to have BMJ back at the ROCK. He is an outstanding recruiter. Don't know if he will be retained at USF and we may not be able to match his salary. Otherwise, I'm good with keeping Coach Roof.

[The Rock]

Looks like drink had hired a DL coach that is not Stewart. Now question is, does Stewart stay at App or move in??

[t4pizza]

"Coach Ted Roof is the best Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since I started here in 1988. "

Well you have followed the team longer than I (1998 for me) but I think it is hard to name someone the best after just one season - Nate Woody changed the entire defensive scheme and culture and set the ground work for the two who have followed him - I always thought that Wiley was the best I had seen at making half-time adjustments and we did win 3 National Championships with him as DC - If Roof remains at APP and picks up where he has left off I think things will be fine ---

Ok, how about I use objective terms instead of my subjective belief. Ted Roof has the best fbs resume of any Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since 1988, he has coached at more fbs teams, held higher positions on legacy fbs programs, won a fbs national title as the defensive coordinator at Auburn, coached more players that got drafted and played in the league. No other App Defensive Coordinator has had that experience. I get that a lot of our fans are real homers and have a hard time accepting that any non App guy can do a better job than our App coaches (not saying that you feel this way at all) but if all those other names were such great defensive coordinators, why aren't they working in that role at a fbs school anymore? Good coaches at high level programs wouldn't keep hiring Ted Roof to coach their defense if he didn't know what he was doing. The guy is a really good coach and the only people who don't seem to be able to see that are the ones that didn't want him there to begin with. I am just really curious what will happen if Shawn Clark does in fact (no information on this at all just posing a hypothetical) keep him on as DC, will all the naysayers stop this nonsense because one of our own picked him or are we going to continue to have to listen to this nonsense?

[Rekdiver]

"Coach Ted Roof is the best Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since I started here in 1988. "

Well you have followed the team longer than I (1998 for me) but I think it is hard to name someone the best after just one season - Nate Woody changed the entire defensive scheme and culture and set the ground work for the two who have followed him - I always thought that Wiley was the best I had seen at making half-time adjustments and we did win 3 National Championships with him as DC - If Roof remains at APP and picks up where he has left off I think things will be fine ---

Ok, how about I use objective terms instead of my subjective belief. Ted Roof has the best fbs resume of any Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since 1988, he has coached at more fbs teams, held higher positions on legacy fbs programs, won a fbs national title as the defensive coordinator at Auburn, coached more players that got drafted and played in the league. No other App Defensive Coordinator has had that experience. I get that a lot of our fans are real homers and have a hard time accepting that any non App guy can do a better job than our App coaches (not saying that you feel this way at all) but if all those other names were such great defensive coordinators, why aren't they working in that role at a fbs school anymore? Good coaches at high level programs wouldn't keep hiring Ted Roof to coach their defense if he didn't know what he was doing. The guy is a really good coach and the only people who don't seem to be able to see that are the ones that didn't want him there to begin with. I am just really curious what will happen if Shawn Clark does in fact (no information on this at all just posing a hypothetical) keep him on as DC, will all the naysayers stop this nonsense because one of our own picked him or are we going to continue to have to listen to this nonsense?

If Shawn wants Roof im at peace with the decision.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

"Coach Ted Roof is the best Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since I started here in 1988. "

Well you have followed the team longer than I (1998 for me) but I think it is hard to name someone the best after just one season - Nate Woody changed the entire defensive scheme and culture and set the ground work for the two who have followed him - I always thought that Wiley was the best I had seen at making half-time adjustments and we did win 3 National Championships with him as DC - If Roof remains at APP and picks up where he has left off I think things will be fine ---

Ok, how about I use objective terms instead of my subjective belief. Ted Roof has the best fbs resume of any Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since 1988, he has coached at more fbs teams, held higher positions on legacy fbs programs, won a fbs national title as the defensive coordinator at Auburn, coached more players that got drafted and played in the league. No other App Defensive Coordinator has had that experience. I get that a lot of our fans are real homers and have a hard time accepting that any non App guy can do a better job than our App coaches (not saying that you feel this way at all) but if all those other names were such great defensive coordinators, why aren't they working in that role at a fbs school anymore? Good coaches at high level programs wouldn't keep hiring Ted Roof to coach their defense if he didn't know what he was doing. The guy is a really good coach and the only people who don't seem to be able to see that are the ones that didn't want him there to begin with. I am just really curious what will happen if Shawn Clark does in fact (no information on this at all just posing a hypothetical) keep him on as DC, will all the naysayers stop this nonsense because one of our own picked him or are we going to continue to have to listen to this nonsense?

If Shawn wants Roof im at peace with the decision.

I imagine Shawn was already evaluating every coach this season to see who he thought was a good fit going forward. If he keeps Roof as DC, he must see something there and I'd trust his judgement.

[Saint3333]

If you are in charge of a company and measured on results you put the best team together you can.

If Roof makes that cut, I'm going to trust Clark.

[WVAPPeer]

"Coach Ted Roof is the best Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since I started here in 1988. "

Well you have followed the team longer than I (1998 for me) but I think it is hard to name someone the best after just one season - Nate Woody changed the entire defensive scheme and culture and set the ground work for the two who have followed him - I always thought that Wiley was the best I had seen at making half-time adjustments and we did win 3 National Championships with him as DC - If Roof remains at APP and picks up where he has left off I think things will be fine ---

Ok, how about I use objective terms instead of my subjective belief. Ted Roof has the best fbs resume of any Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since 1988, he has coached at more fbs teams, held higher positions on legacy fbs programs, won a fbs national title as the defensive coordinator at Auburn, coached more players that got drafted and played in the league. No other App Defensive Coordinator has had that experience. I get that a lot of our fans are real homers and have a hard time accepting that any non App guy can do a better job than our App coaches (not saying that you feel this way at all) but if all those other names were such great defensive coordinators, why aren't they working in that role at a fbs school anymore? Good coaches at high level programs wouldn't keep hiring Ted Roof to coach their defense if he didn't know what he was doing. The guy is a really good coach and the only people who don't seem to be able to see that are the ones that didn't want him there to begin with. I am just really curious what will happen if Shawn Clark does in fact (no information on this at all just posing a hypothetical) keep him on as DC, will all the naysayers stop this nonsense because one of our own picked him or are we going to continue to have to listen to this nonsense?

It sounds like we have a small disconnect - it sounds like you are saying Roof had the best resume - no argument with that - I thought you were saying in his one year at App, Roof was the best DC ever - I have already made my points on that -
And I agree with the earlier comment that if Coach Clark decides to keep him I am perfectly OK with that -

[t4pizza]

"Coach Ted Roof is the best Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since I started here in 1988. "

Well you have followed the team longer than I (1998 for me) but I think it is hard to name someone the best after just one season - Nate Woody changed the entire defensive scheme and culture and set the ground work for the two who have followed him - I always thought that Wiley was the best I had seen at making half-time adjustments and we did win 3 National Championships with him as DC - If Roof remains at APP and picks up where he has left off I think things will be fine ---

Ok, how about I use objective terms instead of my subjective belief. Ted Roof has the best fbs resume of any Defensive Coordinator that we have had at App since 1988, he has coached at more fbs teams, held higher positions on legacy fbs programs, won a fbs national title as the defensive coordinator at Auburn, coached more players that got drafted and played in the league. No other App Defensive Coordinator has had that experience. I get that a lot of our fans are real homers and have a hard time accepting that any non App guy can do a better job than our App coaches (not saying that you feel this way at all) but if all those other names were such great defensive coordinators, why aren't they working in that role at a fbs school anymore? Good coaches at high level programs wouldn't keep hiring Ted Roof to coach their defense if he didn't know what he was doing. The guy is a really good coach and the only people who don't seem to be able to see that are the ones that didn't want him there to begin with. I am just really curious what will happen if Shawn Clark does in fact (no information on this at all just posing a hypothetical) keep him on as DC, will all the naysayers stop this nonsense because one of our own picked him or are we going to continue to have to listen to this nonsense?

It sounds like we have a small disconnect - it sounds like you are saying Roof had the best resume - no argument with that - I thought you were saying in his one year at App, Roof was the best DC ever - I have already made my points on that -
And I agree with the earlier comment that if Coach Clark decides to keep him I am perfectly OK with that -

Yes, disconnect recognized. I am not contending that his one year in Boone was the best job as an App Defensive Coordinator. I think he did a great job and I feel in year 2 or 3 it will only get better as players/coaches/schemes all get more comfortable with each other. Look how much Joe Burrow grew as a qb from year 1 to year 2 at LSU because he had an entire off season to gel with his offense. I do think that if you lined up all our DCs and all the names that others are throwing out there as a DC that more P5 coaches would hire Roof over any of the other guys. Not saying that some of the other guys wouldn't get jobs, just that Roof would have more offers because I think most coaches see him as a better coach/defensive coordinator. Hence the reason he has been on the staff of so many legacy FBS programs.

[AppStFan1]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

[AppSt94]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

To each his own, but I respectfully disagree. Brown was not the best DC we have had. He was a DC for one year and he inherited a lot of talent. Same can be said for Roof as well, but we were statistically better this year. Not saying Roof is the best ever but it isn’t Brown.

[Appstate88]

Nate Woody after 1.5 years

[NavyApp]

Man it's that time of year again huh? Where we sit and argue about things that are basically irrelevant because the season is almost over. Signing day in two days then the bowl game Saturday. After that we go the dog days on this board! Love you all thanks for all the entertainment!