Recruiting Gripe Thread

[Saint3333]

I vote for a thread in which only Moose can post official recruiting information. This thread has turned into 2/3rds complaining about getting free recruiting information (which I've now contributed too, sorry for that).

[ASU_MBA]

MBA - it's a simple request by the man who spends all his time working on behalf of all of us - it is asinine to not follow his requests regardless of how stupid you think they are

I never said I would not honor a request. I merely said my opinion. Which last time i checked is still allowed on this board.

Besides i won't post anything that requires the "CIA top level" clearance that the hidden post feature provides...(sarcasm I know)

[WVAPPeer]

I can assure everyone that changes are coming - it is just a matter of time --- I know Moose is trying to work out several options on where the info is posted and who will have access - He has many sources and has been told in so many words that if they keep seeing some of these comments on this board the info line will be cut off - PERIOD --- none of us want this to happen - I will also add this - HE TAKES ALL OF THIS VERY SERIOUSLY !!!

[firemoose]

MBA:Thank you for your reply. But you left one thing out. You didn't tell the fine members of this board that I said, and I'm quoting; "Hidden posts were nothing more than a piss poor temporary measure to make some people feel better. I know it means nothing but stronger measures were being looked at by the Admins on here." Unquote. And the "some people" was not referring to me, as I also stated. Your post makes it as though I was defending the hidden posts when that was CLEARLY not the case. You tell me "Dude get a damn grip" in a PM and then twist the reply on here to change what I actually said. Hidden posts were never more than a paper tiger, the tiniest bit of change from a completely open post that might have caused even one person who might not understand how the board works, or how easy it is to join, to have to take the time to figure it out, until such a time as we could figure out how to make the info more secure. That's it. I didn't want to say it in the open but there it is.

You say why would myself or anyone post information on here that would hurt the program. I have shown that it has already happened in the past and given examples of it. Every site made one mistake in the Calvin Smith situation and learned from it. Others on here and elsewhere have not and there are examples I've pointed to before. And I'm the one who is trying to STOP that from happening. That's the whole point. How's this for stronger measures. How about we make ALL recruiting threads and even Recruiting Chat threads opt in only and set a minimum post count of 250, 500 or even 1,000 posts before one can even opt in. Nothing will ever make it completely secure on any site but that would go a long way to stopping the posers as I doubt many coaches, recruits, or family members would take the time to reach those limits.

Why would hidden posts "make me sleep better at night" when I am the one who told you that they meant nothing. I figured with an MBA you would understand context. Yet you come on here and forget to mention that I'm the one who said to you how I felt about them.

As far as "trolling message boards" why is a message board any different from twitter, Facebook, or any other form of social media available on the net. The only difference is the visit lists. Those aren't available and I've stop posting them unless someone says publicly that they are coming. It doesn't appear that you've read the previous posts I've put up concerning these matters or you would know I'm the one on the crusade trying to stop any posts that might hurt the program. I think those that actually have read those posts can tell you how many times I've said "think before you post whether this can hurt the program or not".

You said you don't want the information. Well there is an easy way to fix that. One thing that I said in the PM that I will say openly now is that, despite what some believe, App is under no obligation to give any site, including the pay ones, anything. They could simply choose to shut it down at any time and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We're lucky to get what we do but, given the whole new 365 world that FBS recruiting. But personally I don't want to be the one whose name is associated with the thread that makes it stop. And as I said there is an easy way to fix that.

[mountaineerman]

I vote for a thread in which only Moose can post official recruiting information. This thread has turned into 2/3rds complaining about getting free recruiting information (which I've now contributed too, sorry for that).

This would work perfect. If you don't like it don't visit the thread.

[TheMackAttack]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

[App91]

MBA:Thank you for your reply. But you left one thing out. You didn't tell the fine members of this board that I said, and I'm quoting; "Hidden posts were nothing more than a piss poor temporary measure to make some people feel better. I know it means nothing but stronger measures were being looked at by the Admins on here." Unquote. And the "some people" was not referring to me, as I also stated. Your post makes it as though I was defending the hidden posts when that was CLEARLY not the case. You tell me "Dude get a damn grip" in a PM and then twist the reply on here to change what I actually said. Hidden posts were never more than a paper tiger, the tiniest bit of change from a completely open post that might have caused even one person who might not understand how the board works, or how easy it is to join, to have to take the time to figure it out, until such a time as we could figure out how to make the info more secure. That's it. I didn't want to say it in the open but there it is.

You say why would myself or anyone post information on here that would hurt the program. I have shown that it has already happened in the past and given examples of it. Every site made one mistake in the Calvin Smith situation and learned from it. Others on here and elsewhere have not and there are examples I've pointed to before. And I'm the one who is trying to STOP that from happening. That's the whole point. How's this for stronger measures. How about we make ALL recruiting threads and even Recruiting Chat threads opt in only and set a minimum post count of 250, 500 or even 1,000 posts before one can even opt in. Nothing will ever make it completely secure on any site but that would go a long way to stopping the posers as I doubt many coaches, recruits, or family members would take the time to reach those limits.

Why would hidden posts "make me sleep better at night" when I am the one who told you that they meant nothing. I figured with an MBA you would understand context. Yet you come on here and forget to mention that I'm the one who said to you how I felt about them.

As far as "trolling message boards" why is a message board any different from twitter, Facebook, or any other form of social media available on the net. The only difference is the visit lists. Those aren't available and I've stop posting them unless someone says publicly that they are coming. It doesn't appear that you've read the previous posts I've put up concerning these matters or you would know I'm the one on the crusade trying to stop any posts that might hurt the program. I think those that actually have read those posts can tell you how many times I've said "think before you post whether this can hurt the program or not".

You said you don't want the information. Well there is an easy way to fix that. One thing that I said in the PM that I will say openly now is that, despite what some believe, App is under no obligation to give any site, including the pay ones, anything. They could simply choose to shut it down at any time and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We're lucky to get what we do but, given the whole new 365 world that FBS recruiting. But personally I don't want to be the one whose name is associated with the thread that makes it stop. And as I said there is an easy way to fix that.

Mic Drop!

[App91]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

Thats just it Mack, you can NEVER go only on what you hear/see on twitter. Not relevent and not truthful too many times. now, if mods want to start a RUMOR thread then post all you see/hear in the twittersphere. That's all this is, that postings on here are from CONFIRMED sources in the know, not what some say. That's why it is sensitive.

[EastHallApp]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

Thats just it Mack, you can NEVER go only on what you hear/see on twitter. Not relevent and not truthful too many times. now, if mods want to start a RUMOR thread then post all you see/hear in the twittersphere. That's all this is, that postings on here are from CONFIRMED sources in the know, not what some say. That's why it is sensitive.

If a player posts on Twitter that he decommitted from another school, I'm unsure as to what other confirmation we need that he decommitted?

[ASU_MBA]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

Thats just it Mack, you can NEVER go only on what you hear/see on twitter. Not relevent and not truthful too many times. now, if mods want to start a RUMOR thread then post all you see/hear in the twittersphere. That's all this is, that postings on here are from CONFIRMED sources in the know, not what some say. That's why it is sensitive.

If a player posts on Twitter that he decommitted from another school, I'm unsure as to what other confirmation we need that he decommitted?

Exactly!

I gladly pay for 247 and Scout so I avoid the drama of "don't step on anyone toes" on this board.

Too many rules and thin skins.

[WVAPPeer]

MackAttack - just to clarify a bit - You might have started this last one but this problem has been popping up for at least a couple of years - I have attempted (as have others) to let those on here know that Moose was serious about this thread and we should all do the best we can to follow his directives ---

[Yosef10]

Quick fix: start another thread where we can speculate/gossip about news we see on Twitter and other social media sites. Let moose have his own "official thread" where we can for information. The reason for message boards is for fans to speculate and gossip on things, just don't be negative about recruits/commits and things will be fine. Not hard.

[NavyApp]

Far enough is far enough. This thread war needs to stop. Nothing good is going to come of this, there is no need for us act this way. We have divided ourselves into two groups and left moose and the awesome information he gives us in the chasm we have created.

So let's look at this objectively for what it is. What is this thread? Who benefits from this thread? This thread is a gift that a fellow Mountaineer has devoted more time and effort than any of the rest of us could or are able to. We all love the content he provides us as evidenced by the amount of views here. As to who benefits from this, that's us, the die hard fans who are always starved for more and more info. The only "cost" we have for such valuable insight and intel is to respect mooses wishes. Yes we all know how easy it is to make a profile to see the hidden content, but that's the only safeguard we currently have. It has been stated over and over that the administrators are working on a better solution, so in the mean time respect what little moose asks of us.

As to the way we have been talking to one another on here needs to stop. It's perfectly fine to disagree but try and keep it professional, both sides have been bad about this lately. Remember we are all Mountaineers here, WE ALL BLEED BLACK AND GOLD! Let's move past this and get ready for a fun next few weeks with signing day rapidly approaching.

[TheMackAttack]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

Thats just it Mack, you can NEVER go only on what you hear/see on twitter. Not relevent and not truthful too many times. now, if mods want to start a RUMOR thread then post all you see/hear in the twittersphere. That's all this is, that postings on here are from CONFIRMED sources in the know, not what some say. That's why it is sensitive.

Please re-read the part where I said I couldn't care less about your opinion. And just in case you aren't aware, almost all of what firemoose posts comes from Twitter, that's why his posts start with "from Twitter and/or internet reports". I've never posted that a player committed (even after a #W2TR tweet), never posted that a player was offered, never posted a list of official or unofficial visitors, never attacked a commit, and never said or did anything that could harm App State's recruiting efforts.

If you can't post "Marcus Williams just decommitted from Elon and said he's announcing his new school tomorrow. He's a lock for App State at this point." Then what can you post?

[AppStateNews]

If you can't post "Marcus Williams just decommitted from Elon and said he's announcing his new school tomorrow. He's a lock for App State at this point." Then what can you post?

It's not that hard but I will help..

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The bottom line is Firemoose is the "face" of the cabin - especially when it comes to recruiting. If you can't respect it, then don't post anything and kill the information line we have. If you think it's just twitter he's using, please feel free to take the job over if you think it's that easy.

[Rekdiver]

Gents

We all want the best for App...Right? So let's move on from this and do our best to remain civil and recognize that our information is deemed correct after it's confirmed by the App athletic dept. Just like a good journalist you need to check multiple sources before you go to print.... "Dewey Defeats Truman"

[TheMackAttack]

If you can't post "Marcus Williams just decommitted from Elon and said he's announcing his new school tomorrow. He's a lock for App State at this point." Then what can you post?

It's not that hard but I will help..

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The bottom line is Firemoose is the "face" of the cabin - especially when it comes to recruiting. These rules aren't coming from him directly. They are coming from others in the athletic department. If you can't respect it, then don't post anything and kill the information line we have. If you think it's just twitter he's using, please feel free to take the job over if you think it's that easy.

And this is where I walk away from this thread.

This latest spat with "the rules" started when mountaineer91 began posting about Zeb Noland, insulting him and trying to pump up other potential recruits. Not a single one of you said a thing. I was the one who called him out. All of you were silent. But now because I posted that a kid decommitted on Twitter, I'm somehow the cause of the problem? You guys can't see the irony in that? Instead we've stooped to twisting my words to somehow make them an insult to firemoose. As I stated earlier, this whole board has become a fun free zone because you can't post anything without somebody getting upset about it. I think I will stop posting here. It's a shame that this is what YC has devolved into because I use to really enjoy it.

[App91]

This whole argument started a few pages ago when I posted that Marcus Williams had publicly decommited from Elon after his visit to App State. Moose (and only Moose, I couldn't care less about the rest of your opinions in this matter), if that's the type of information that needs to be hidden, then I apologize. Considering the circumstances, I didn't feel that need. Personally, I won't be using the hidden function any longer because I feel like if I want to post something that should be hidden, then it probably shouldn't be posted at all. It seems like the best strategy in my opinion. I understand that you're in a difficult situation here and I genuinely hope that a solution can be reached that makes all parties satisfied.

I think a more simple solution might be to have a quicker trigger on the ban button for people who cause the issues in the first place. The problem comes with people who post information and lie about or fabricate "sources", insult our commits, or share information that shouldn't be shared. I think those people get one strike and then get banned.

Thats just it Mack, you can NEVER go only on what you hear/see on twitter. Not relevent and not truthful too many times. now, if mods want to start a RUMOR thread then post all you see/hear in the twittersphere. That's all this is, that postings on here are from CONFIRMED sources in the know, not what some say. That's why it is sensitive.

If a player posts on Twitter that he decommitted from another school, I'm unsure as to what other confirmation we need that he decommitted?

Exactly!

I gladly pay for 247 and Scout so I avoid the drama of "don't step on anyone toes" on this board.

Too many rules and thin skins.

If you feel the need to, then please do so. Otherwise we will abide by the requests on this site.

[Rekdiver]

Man the deductive reasoning that MBA got you is pretty amazing!

[mtnjax]

Sooooooo...any new recruiting news out there that can be shared? Or has this thread just turned into a high school drama?