Fate Decided This Past Summer

[ASUTodd]

I'm fine with it if that was the reasoning. Because anyone honest with themselves will admit this season, and to a lesser extent next season, do have less meaning than 2015 and beyond will. Especially this year. So take the punches this season, give all these 17 and 18 year olds a year of pure practice and conditioning training, and let them start their 4 years next year, when at least a conference title is available to play for.

I can certainly see the reasoning in red-shirting a freshman... It gives them time to develop and become even better.

But what does it say about App State Football when we decide to not put the "best" players on the field.. no matter what one is playing for?

"Always Do More Than Is Expected"

I have a hard time believing that keeping players on the bench, just to keep them out of this season is doing more than expected.

Heck, shouldn't fans have expected a discount on tickets if we would have known that less than 100% effort was going into making this team compete this year?

Please don't think I'm railing at you about this.. it just gets under my skin that we might be "saving" good players for a year that "counts".

"always do more than is expected..." God I hate that phrase. Jerry Moore wrote that on a picture to my wife. After his little tantrum, when he couldn't come back, I had to look at that picture in disgust. Oh he did more than we expected, alright. Bottom line of it. There is nothing to play for this season. And don't say pride.... Nothing... not one thing. So, why play? Cause next year we have something to play for. Does it suck for seniors? Oh hell yes it does.... is life fair? Oh hell no it isnt. There is an end game to all of this. The end game is that the App name goes on to have a bright future. You can't win everything every year. You will have down and rebuilding years. We might as well get it out of the way in fell swoop. And I'm with APPFTW about your sigs. Childish and annoying. You and Jcline should start a support group.

[vegattk]

Maybe my seats will improve once the bandwagoners jump off. When they jump back on in two seasons I'll enjoy my prime seats.

Things that are difficult are the most rewarding. Looking forward to raising our level of play on the field higher than it has ever been.

We lost badly this weekend but picked up two good recruits beating out Marshall for both. Good days are ahead, keep the faith.

You'll never appreciate it when it's good when you don't experience it when it's bad...

[WVAPPeer]

I can say this - Prior to the season starting I asked David Jackson one on one this question - "What is the position of Scott and his staff about red-shirting the freshmen since this season is meaningless?"
His answer was, "I have spoken to Scott about this and he said he would not hold any player out (red-shirt) who could make a difference immediately."

Personally I would have probably red-shirted every one of them - even Cox --- this season means nothing but surviving until next year and the following year - Some of you can beat your chest about pride and playing for the university, etc. and that is great but in the big picture it means little moving forward ---

Cox is an anomaly - he is the key RB this season - Who would you guys want to take a red-shirt off of this season? - absolutely don't do just for depth, the player must be a starter/big contributor like Cox ---

I rarely disagree with anything Steve Brown says but I doubt he would seriously pull any red-shirts at this point of a meaningless season ---

[GoApps70]

Think Brownies comment was that he would "think" about playing some of those red-shirted OL men.
He sounds as frustrated as any of us.
Thought a player could play so many games - something like 3 - and still red shirt for a year. Maybe that is if they develop a medical problem.

[GoApps70]

By the way, all this lack of strength and conditioning a lot of people are talking about, which makes you wonder when our guys go up against other teams, Georgia Southern's Strength and Conditioning staff teaches their players Yoga also for mobility to add to the strength. Do we?

[WVAPPeer]

Think Brownies comment was that he would "think" about playing some of those red-shirted OL men.
He sounds as frustrated as any of us.
Thought a player could play so many games - something like 3 - and still red shirt for a year. Maybe that is if they develop a medical problem.

I do believe that the rule is if you play 1 play that no red-shirt is available UNLESS it can be shown that injury kept the player from playing again and that has to happen within (Not sure about this percentage) the first 30% of the team's games ---

[AppStateNews]

Its a certain percentage of games played. I want to say if you dont play something like 25% of the games, you are eligible for a redshirt -- regardless of injury. Not 100% on the numbers, but do know its a percentage of the games played..

[AppState89]

Heck, shouldn't fans have expected a discount on tickets if we would have known that less than 100% effort was going into making this team compete this year?

That is a good point. Next year when it is time to re-up many people will be thinking about this season. Many will say I'll be back when you prove it is worth my hard earned money. I expect ticket prices to increase next year also so that will put hardship on top of doubt. I don't care what anyone says this season was just as important as any we played.

Ticket prices will go up for sure. So will all the parking lots. I was told Saturday that the stadium lot will most likely be $3,500 and up next year. This is from someone who has been parking in the stadium for 15+ years. Price we all have to pay for moving to FBS....

[WVAPPeer]

"Its a certain percentage of games played. I want to say if you dont play something like 25% of the games, you are eligible for a redshirt -- regardless of injury."

Nope - one play and it counts as a year ---

[AppStateNews]

"Its a certain percentage of games played. I want to say if you dont play something like 25% of the games, you are eligible for a redshirt -- regardless of injury."

Nope - one play and it counts as a year ---

You're right. It is a medical hardship that is a % of the games. Of you havent played in 30% of the teams contests, and get iniured, you can get a medical redshirt.

[AppSt94]

Competing for playing time as opposed to likely starting is a different matter. With the unit returning, the thinking was probably that we can afford to give the freshmen a year to grow and develop, learn the system, etc. In retrospect, it might have been a mistake but I can't necessarily fault the logic. At this point, I'm not sure it makes sense to drop the redshirts.

I certainly agree that dropping the shirts at this point would be a bad move. What I can't figure out is them not giving the freshmen a shot ( if they didn't )after seeing the play in the two spring games/scrimmages. As you say maybe they couldn't start yet but if not we have an awful lot of work to do.
No matter who plays and how big they are next year, they will need to be stronger than this group is.

What would be the point of playing them now in a season where wins and losses are not going to change the outcome of a post season berth? I understand that the best player should play but starting a freshmen over a senior this year because he is "better" essentially waste two players. The incumbent who was beaten out and the upstart who will lose a year of eligibility, and increase the risk of serious injury so he can play against competition that is less than what he will face next ye ar.

[AppSt94]

Heck, shouldn't fans have expected a discount on tickets if we would have known that less than 100% effort was going into making this team compete this year?

That is a good point. Next year when it is time to re-up many people will be thinking about this season. Many will say I'll be back when you prove it is worth my hard earned money. I expect ticket prices to increase next year also so that will put hardship on top of doubt. I don't care what anyone says this season was just as important as any we played.

Ticket prices will go up for sure. So will all the parking lots. I was told Saturday that the stadium lot will most likely be $3,500 and up next year. This is from someone who has been parking in the stadium for 15+ years. Price we all have to pay for moving to FBS....

Is the stadium lot full now? I can't imagine there will be enough donors at that level to make that stipulation.

[bcoach]

Really? Then why play this year at all? If it means nothing and the coaches are not going to put their best team on the field why should we show up? I am not talking about now. Now is too late. If I thought that at the beginning of the year they were not going to play their best team that would be the end for me. If they are just going through the motions I am out of here and I don't want to hear about supporting the team. This is a two way street. I really and truly hope that the program does not feel that this year is for nothing.

[appbio91]

Heck, shouldn't fans have expected a discount on tickets if we would have known that less than 100% effort was going into making this team compete this year?

That is a good point. Next year when it is time to re-up many people will be thinking about this season. Many will say I'll be back when you prove it is worth my hard earned money. I expect ticket prices to increase next year also so that will put hardship on top of doubt. I don't care what anyone says this season was just as important as any we played.

Ticket prices will go up for sure. So will all the parking lots. I was told Saturday that the stadium lot will most likely be $3,500 and up next year. This is from someone who has been parking in the stadium for 15+ years. Price we all have to pay for moving to FBS....

Wow, with season tickets for a family that's getting over $4000. I expect them to raise the minimum donation for "premium" seating next year also. Again, the attitude that it's okay to mail it in this year blows my mind.

[WVAPPeer]

Really? Then why play this year at all? If it means nothing and the coaches are not going to put their best team on the field why should we show up? I am not talking about now. Now is too late. If I thought that at the beginning of the year they were not going to play their best team that would be the end for me. If they are just going through the motions I am out of here and I don't want to hear about supporting the team. This is a two way street. I really and truly hope that the program does not feel that this year is for nothing.

So - let me make sure I understand your stance - you feel that we should not have red-shirted any true freshman who could have possibly seen the field this season?

[JCline0429]

I'm fine with it if that was the reasoning. Because anyone honest with themselves will admit this season, and to a lesser extent next season, do have less meaning than 2015 and beyond will. Especially this year. So take the punches this season, give all these 17 and 18 year olds a year of pure practice and conditioning training, and let them start their 4 years next year, when at least a conference title is available to play for.

I can certainly see the reasoning in red-shirting a freshman... It gives them time to develop and become even better.

But what does it say about App State Football when we decide to not put the "best" players on the field.. no matter what one is playing for?

"Always Do More Than Is Expected"

I have a hard time believing that keeping players on the bench, just to keep them out of this season is doing more than expected.

Heck, shouldn't fans have expected a discount on tickets if we would have known that less than 100% effort was going into making this team compete this year?

Please don't think I'm railing at you about this.. it just gets under my skin that we might be "saving" good players for a year that "counts".

"always do more than is expected..." God I hate that phrase. Jerry Moore wrote that on a picture to my wife. After his little tantrum, when he couldn't come back, I had to look at that picture in disgust. Oh he did more than we expected, alright. Bottom line of it. There is nothing to play for this season. And don't say pride.... Nothing... not one thing. So, why play? Cause next year we have something to play for. Does it suck for seniors? Oh hell yes it does.... is life fair? Oh hell no it isnt. There is an end game to all of this. The end game is that the App name goes on to have a bright future. You can't win everything every year. You will have down and rebuilding years. We might as well get it out of the way in fell swoop. And I'm with APPFTW about your sigs. Childish and annoying. You and Jcline should start a support group.

Why the Hades do you have to drag me into your madness all the time? I realize it was JM's time to go, but he sure doesn't deserve the trash thrown at him all the time.

[bcoach]

Really? Then why play this year at all? If it means nothing and the coaches are not going to put their best team on the field why should we show up? I am not talking about now. Now is too late. If I thought that at the beginning of the year they were not going to play their best team that would be the end for me. If they are just going through the motions I am out of here and I don't want to hear about supporting the team. This is a two way street. I really and truly hope that the program does not feel that this year is for nothing.

So - let me make sure I understand your stance - you feel that we should not have red-shirted any true freshman who could have possibly seen the field this season?

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that we should field the best team we have. If a freshman could have won the starting position then yes we should have played him. I do not believe we should remove any shirts at this point in the season.

[WVAPPeer]

Really? Then why play this year at all? If it means nothing and the coaches are not going to put their best team on the field why should we show up? I am not talking about now. Now is too late. If I thought that at the beginning of the year they were not going to play their best team that would be the end for me. If they are just going through the motions I am out of here and I don't want to hear about supporting the team. This is a two way street. I really and truly hope that the program does not feel that this year is for nothing.

So - let me make sure I understand your stance - you feel that we should not have red-shirted any true freshman who could have possibly seen the field this season?

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that we should field the best team we have. If a freshman could have won the starting position then yes we should have played him. I do not believe we should remove any shirts at this point in the season.

understood - I am guessing that was determined during fall camp and according to what David Jackson told me, then if a freshman was good enough to start he would - example being Cox - in my mind the guy would have to have been a clear starter and difference maker or why waste a year as a backup or part time contributor ---

[bcoach]

Really? Then why play this year at all? If it means nothing and the coaches are not going to put their best team on the field why should we show up? I am not talking about now. Now is too late. If I thought that at the beginning of the year they were not going to play their best team that would be the end for me. If they are just going through the motions I am out of here and I don't want to hear about supporting the team. This is a two way street. I really and truly hope that the program does not feel that this year is for nothing.

So - let me make sure I understand your stance - you feel that we should not have red-shirted any true freshman who could have possibly seen the field this season?

No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that we should field the best team we have. If a freshman could have won the starting position then yes we should have played him. I do not believe we should remove any shirts at this point in the season.

understood - I am guessing that was determined during fall camp and according to what David Jackson told me, then if a freshman was good enough to start he would - example being Cox - in my mind the guy would have to have been a clear starter and difference maker or why waste a year as a backup or part time contributor ---

Yes exactly