College Game Day

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Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

[AppSt94]

Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

[appgrad95&97]

Who cares. Shawn Clark has run this program into the ground. If you thought the hes been horrible so far....just wait until next year. Sick to my stomach over losing all that was built.

Please tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Clark is indefensible at this point. Maybe he can turn things around. But he has done absolutely nothing that indicates he can compete in a much better Sunbelt. Okay, now it's your turn to somehow bame Drink for this.

He's only indefensible for those that have no idea what they're talking about.... There's a reason he's not on the hot seat by anybody but the casual fan base. Everybody with any kind of knowledge of what's going on knew this past season was likely to happen.

Since I, obviously, have no idea what I'm talking about and am only a casual fan. What about next year? 7-5? That's my guess, but I'm just a casual fan who has no idea about anything.

[WVAPPeer]

Didn't APP win the division last season and play in the conference championship game? - And finish the regular season at 10-2? - Not getting where the 2 year slide is coming from

[PhillyApp1]

Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

[AppSt94]

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Again, all part of the slow bleed from the previous staffs and scenarios.

[BambooRdApp]

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Well, you need to step up your game for your wife...so you are more than "average"... couldn't resist..all in good humor or bad humor

[bigdaddyg]

Didn't APP win the division last season and play in the conference championship game? - And finish the regular season at 10-2? - Not getting where the 2 year slide is coming from

I'm with you. Just to make sure I looked up our records by season. Since 2015 at least 9 wins a year. Granted we lost the CCG and Bowl game last year and those were ugly losses but we have had 1 bad year in a row.

[PhillyApp1]

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Again, all part of the slow bleed from the previous staffs and scenarios.

Okay doc
We needs stitches and antibiotic... A sap !!

Tell me we are healing! Please
Slow bleed is killing us

[AppSt94]

Who cares. Shawn Clark has run this program into the ground. If you thought the hes been horrible so far....just wait until next year. Sick to my stomach over losing all that was built.

Please tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Clark is indefensible at this point. Maybe he can turn things around. But he has done absolutely nothing that indicates he can compete in a much better Sunbelt. Okay, now it's your turn to somehow bame Drink for this.

He's only indefensible for those that have no idea what they're talking about.... There's a reason he's not on the hot seat by anybody but the casual fan base. Everybody with any kind of knowledge of what's going on knew this past season was likely to happen.

Since I, obviously, have no idea what I'm talking about and am only a casual fan. What about next year? 7-5? That's my guess, but I'm just a casual fan who has no idea about anything.

And this is where the disconnect lies within this discussion. A great deal of these responses in the negative are focused on the win/loss column. We could experience growing pains next year and finish 6-6 again and still be better and heading in the right trajectory. A lot of factors go into how one gets to the record but no one seems to get past the record to care to ask and when someone does and reasons are provided, those that choose to look through an obtuse lense want to call them excuses. I go back to a comment that I made early on. No one cares how many fires a CEO puts out daily when the stock is growing. But as soon as the stock goes down, all anyone cares about is their seemingly inability to put fires out.

[appgrad95&97]

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

[PhillyApp1]

Didn't APP win the division last season and play in the conference championship game? - And finish the regular season at 10-2? - Not getting where the 2 year slide is coming from

I'm with you. Just to make sure I looked up our records by season. Since 2015 at least 9 wins a year. Granted we lost the CCG and Bowl game last year and those were ugly losses but we have had 1 bad year in a row.

Look at record against winning teams for 2 seasons, just sayin....

And this last year 🤮

[AppSt94]

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Again, all part of the slow bleed from the previous staffs and scenarios.

Okay doc
We needs stitches and antibiotic... A sap !!

Tell me we are healing! Please
Slow bleed is killing us

We will see. Clark’s first full recruiting class is coming into their own so we will find out. Hoping that we can hold on to Barbay so that we don’t have our 6th OC in 6 years.

[AppStateNews]

Where did the original post state 6-6 is okay for 2023. Jeez people..

I framed it as a question for those that find silver lining in a 6-6 season.

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

That's not what you did, but ok. You started off with a statement that basically says "you're an idiot for thinking national attention is good because we still went 6-6 and we are a terrible program with a crap coach."

Obviously that is extreme and that is not what you meant, but with your constant negativity, that's what it came off as.

[PhillyApp1]

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

You sound like an App State CPA
The numbers are 🤮
The visual of play was 🤮

All I want to know is that App State will change the trajectory and win against Winning teams

Please

[bigdaddyg]

During that run from 2015 to last year we still beat up some bad teams and had losses to winning teams. NOBODY said a word about who we beat and lost to. As long as we won 8 or more games and played in a bowl game all was quiet. Beating Elon, La Monroe, Idaho, etc was accepted.

[appgrad95&97]

During that run from 2015 to last year we still beat up some bad teams and had losses to winning teams. NOBODY said a word about who we beat and lost to. As long as we won 8 or more games and played in a bowl game all was quiet. Beating Elon, La Monroe, Idaho, etc was accepted.

Exactly, winning 8 games would be fine.

[PhillyApp1]

During that run from 2015 to last year we still beat up some bad teams and had losses to winning teams. NOBODY said a word about who we beat and lost to. As long as we won 8 or more games and played in a bowl game all was quiet. Beating Elon, La Monroe, Idaho, etc was accepted.

Guess what?
The Sunbelt is better and App State is an average team by record, by stats, by player outcomes, by coaching......
Change has to happen.
Player development has to happen.
Better coaching has to happen.
Strength and conditioning improvement has to happen.

[AppDub]

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Again, all part of the slow bleed from the previous staffs and scenarios.

Okay doc
We needs stitches and antibiotic... A sap !!

Tell me we are healing! Please
Slow bleed is killing us

We will see. Clark’s first full recruiting class is coming into their own so we will find out. Hoping that we can hold on to Barbay so that we don’t have our 6th OC in 6 years.

I agree with not only holding onto Barbay, but also turning him loose to be creative within the framework of our current system like was present in the first few games of the year.

[AppStateNews]

Hold up... so because someone pointed out we're still getting media attention even after one of our worst years in recent history and we're still a national brand, that means they're ok with the season? That makes zero sense and is a far stretch.

Did the season end up being bad? Yes, nobody is denying that. Were there some good parts to it? Yes, nobody should deny that. Does understanding the power of national media brings most attention mean people are happy with the season? No.

I pointed to the fact that I understand the point being made about nation attention. I didn't just dismiss that, but I also want to know if like the other excuses and optimistic views some on here including yourself have made the past months, if they'd continue to find the silver lining if next year was another 6-6 season. Very simple question, really.

The issues that led to this year’s record have been building for several years. Expecting them to be corrected overnight, or in one season is not a reasonable expectation in terms of records. We could look a lot better this coming season with no appreciable difference in the overall record.

As my wife says..... progress would be lovely.

Looking average and playing average..... is well,......average.

Just sayin....... average ain't going to go over well.

Average is a hard pill to swallow, being we have been average for over a year 🤮🤮

Unfortunately, I'm not that smart and am only a casual fan. But let's say there are 131ish FBS teams and say, around 43 bowl games. So, my average, not in the know, not very smart math, gets about 86 teams in bowl games. I haven't seen App in one yet. So, can you be sure we're average? I had to Google it, but half of 131 is around 65 and a half.

You have multiple people telling you what lead to the past season (again, not unexpected by anybody on staff or administration) but you fail to accept that as a reason we saw what we saw. So, yes, this just shows you have limited knowledge of what is happening. Thanks for proving the point by yourself!

If you choose to be negative because you don't want to believe what you're told, that is your right. But, it's also our right to call you out on the ignorance. If you want to continue harping on your ignorance, go ahead.

Bottom line -- it's hard to maintain a program as long as we have at the FBS level without any other influences. Add in minimal budget compared to our peers (getting better), a pandemic (yes all schools had to go through this, but not all schools had to deal with it with a brand new HC and budget cuts at the same time), 5 OCs in 5 years, 3 head coaching changes, a previous HC that failed to recruit needs, a defensive scheme that is unique and requires the right players and development time (see previous point of failing to recruit needs), and much more. This list is just the tip of the iceberg.

The odds were stacked against Clark from the get go. The fact he brought us to the SBC CG in 2021 was a great achievement but should be attributed to the super seniors getting another year. But, that also threw off the blueprint to fix the issues. As I said earlier, I expect next year to be better than this past season, but still don't think it'll be a 2019 type team (unless we find some o line in the transfer portal that are studs). Some of you will think a 9-4 season with a loss in the SBC CG and a bowl win is a failure of a season though.