Coaches Poll 9.27

[appchicago]

No one said we should be ranked but we went from 12 points in others receiving votes to none, while winning. Coastal remains in the others receiving votes without playing. I'm just saying it points out the absurdity of the whole system.

We beat Campbell. No one in the AP cares at all that we beat an FCS team. Nor should they.

Of course. I get that. BUT (for example) Oklahoma has also only beaten an FCS team—their one win is shellacking Missouri State. A Missouri State team that won ONE game last season, by the way—and lost to Kansas State yesterday. Oklahoma is still ranked in the top 20 in both polls. Arkansas State—who beat Kansas State and lost to a ranked Memphis team—got 11 points in the AP and 16 in the coaches and is way down the list. Kansas State, which now has a win over a #3 Oklahoma, is still unranked because they lost to stAte. It’s a big fat snake eating its tail—an ourobouros of precedent, hype, and bullsquat.

At least one voter put us in the poll last week and didn’t put in Marshall after they shamed us on national TV. I can only assume that even with the lighter gameload, some voters just can’t be bothered to dig into the G5 games.

[ah59396]

No one said we should be ranked but we went from 12 points in others receiving votes to none, while winning. Coastal remains in the others receiving votes without playing. I'm just saying it points out the absurdity of the whole system.

We beat Campbell. No one in the AP cares at all that we beat an FCS team. Nor should they.

Of course. I get that. BUT (for example) Oklahoma has also only beaten an FCS team—their one win is shellacking Missouri State. A Missouri State team that won ONE game last season, by the way—and lost to Kansas State yesterday. Oklahoma is still ranked in the top 20 in both polls. Arkansas State—who beat Kansas State and lost to a ranked Memphis team—got 11 points in the AP and 16 in the coaches and is way down the list. Kansas State, which now has a win over a #3 Oklahoma, is still unranked because they lost to stAte. It’s a big fat snake eating its tail—an ourobouros of precedent, hype, and bullsquat.

At least one voter put us in the poll last week and didn’t put in Marshall after they shamed us on national TV. I can only assume that even with the lighter gameload, some voters just can’t be bothered to dig into the G5 games.

Some of the voters are complete idiots. I’ll give you that.

[hapapp]

No one said we should be ranked but we went from 12 points in others receiving votes to none, while winning. Coastal remains in the others receiving votes without playing. I'm just saying it points out the absurdity of the whole system.

We beat Campbell. No one in the AP cares at all that we beat an FCS team. Nor should they.

The same Campbell team that Coastal beat the week before to remain in the latter category. It's not about us. I'm not suggesting we deserve anything, it's about the system.

[hotrod2001]

Louisiana gets bumped yet LSU is in the top 20 despite losing to Mississippi State. What a crock.

Actually, that sounds about right because LSU only lost by 10 to an SEC team that many expect to be improved under their new coach. They had talent last year but the program was not run well. It should be easy to win when you are in the middle of the MS, LA, AL, FL, TX, GA recruiting footprint. I don't think you completely kill them and drop them out.

I expected LSU to lose 3 or 4 games this year. Most people who don't vote thought the voters were way too high on them to begin with. I was shocked when they were top 10 instead of around 15-18 range.

Still, Louisiana is 3-0 and took down a top 20 team and they're booted out of a deserved top 25 spot just because the B1G and SEC decided to exist again. To just dump #19 out of the rankings all together is beyond disrespectful for what the Cajuns have managed to do this year. Unless they're going to hold it against them that they just ecked by Georgia State that's not fair either as that team is one season removed from a Tennessee win.

[yosef69]

Let’s say that the voters saw our first 2 quarters vs Campbell. There’s why we’re not ranked.

Doesn’t matter if they didn’t see it. They did see us crap the bed during the prime time CBS slot, and that’s enough for anyone to stop ranking us.

It’s also tough for me to say ULL is better than those SEC/B1G teams. Their best win came during week one and they took a last minute bomb from their kicker to win the game vs GS and struggled with GaSt.

[hapapp]

Let’s say that the voters saw our first 2 quarters vs Campbell. There’s why we’re not ranked.

Doesn’t matter if they didn’t see it. They did see us crap the bed during the prime time CBS slot, and that’s enough for anyone to stop ranking us.

It’s also tough for me to say ULL is better than those SEC/B1G teams. Their best win came during week one and they took a last minute bomb from their kicker to win the game vs GS and struggled with GaSt.

The first two quarters against Campbell aren't why we aren't ranked. We're not ranked (1) because we lost to Marshall and (2) because they now include teams that weren't in the rankings when we were. We could be 3-0 and not ranked at this point (see UL).

This thread WAS NEVER about us not being ranked. It was how after winning we garnered no points when the week before we had 12. Even understanding how that could possibly be the case, it doesn't explain how Coastal, who didn't play after beating the same Campbell team, remained in the receiving votes category. That was the apparent anomaly that I was initially referencing, not our absence from the top 25.

[SpeedkingATL]

App's signature win after 3 games is against UNCC. Throw in a loss to G5 Marshall where App looked lost on national TV and I would expect few if any votes. Just need to do what App has done the last 3 years and win the game in front of you. This is going to be a screwy year for all teams and without P5 wins, most G5's get little respect. We haven't quite earned the respect of UCF but App is trending in the right direction.

[NashvilleNeer]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

We won and won handly Satruday. Other FCS wins from the Prig 5do not do this sort of cartel work by the polls. We don't deserve ranking but I think we deserve some votes. Not one sniff is hard to believe except for the fact the polls are so skewed towards the Prig 5.

[yosef69]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

We won and won handly Satruday. Other FCS wins from the Prig 5do not do this sort of cartel work by the polls. We don't deserve ranking but I think we deserve some votes. Not one sniff is hard to believe except for the fact the polls are so skewed towards the Prig 5.

Did you watch the Marshall game? Everyone that’s in the current top 25 would destroy the team that lost to Marshall.

[AppStFan1]

Louisiana gets bumped yet LSU is in the top 20 despite losing to Mississippi State. What a crock.

Actually, that sounds about right because LSU only lost by 10 to an SEC team that many expect to be improved under their new coach. They had talent last year but the program was not run well. It should be easy to win when you are in the middle of the MS, LA, AL, FL, TX, GA recruiting footprint. I don't think you completely kill them and drop them out.

I expected LSU to lose 3 or 4 games this year. Most people who don't vote thought the voters were way too high on them to begin with. I was shocked when they were top 10 instead of around 15-18 range.

Still, Louisiana is 3-0 and took down a top 20 team and they're booted out of a deserved top 25 spot just because the B1G and SEC decided to exist again. To just dump #19 out of the rankings all together is beyond disrespectful for what the Cajuns have managed to do this year. Unless they're going to hold it against them that they just ecked by Georgia State that's not fair either as that team is one season removed from a Tennessee win.

I think the reasoning is that Iowa State would have been about 24-25 range, at best, if everyone else was playing. If not for a couple of mistakes in kick coverage I don't think Louisiana wins that game.

They also really needed to beat GSU by a large margin to stay and they should have lost the game, to be honest.

ULL is a good team but nobody from SBC should be ranked right now, if you include all P5 teams. If ULL beats us by double digits then I would rank them. I feel like the game between App and ULL will tell us who is the real deal in our league.

[AppStFan1]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

We won and won handly Satruday. Other FCS wins from the Prig 5do not do this sort of cartel work by the polls. We don't deserve ranking but I think we deserve some votes. Not one sniff is hard to believe except for the fact the polls are so skewed towards the Prig 5.

Campbell is not good at all. We were struggling with them in the first half and only opened it up because of the speed. We were awful against Marshall (made too many mistakes) and struggled some with Charlotte. We may be a top 25 talent but we aren't playing like a top 40 team right now, let alone top 25.

Don't worry about rankings until we beat ULL and GSU. If we can't beat both of them then it does not matter what else we do because we will be completely done. We also need to see what Marshall does. If they can't dominate the CUSA then we have no argument for any votes until Marshall is in the top 25 again.

[AppinVA]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

We won and won handly Satruday. Other FCS wins from the Prig 5do not do this sort of cartel work by the polls. We don't deserve ranking but I think we deserve some votes. Not one sniff is hard to believe except for the fact the polls are so skewed towards the Prig 5.

“Some votes” indicates that someone who has a vote feels App is a top 25 team. That would mean they disagree with your assertion that App is not a Top 25 team.

[citroknight]

We did not even get one vote in either AP or Coaches' Poll. I think that is a bit harsh. I know we are not going to be ranked right now but still....

Well, win and move up.

With all due respect, why do we deserve a vote? We don't look like a good team right now.

We won and won handly Satruday. Other FCS wins from the Prig 5do not do this sort of cartel work by the polls. We don't deserve ranking but I think we deserve some votes. Not one sniff is hard to believe except for the fact the polls are so skewed towards the Prig 5.

“Some votes” indicates that someone who has a vote feels App is a top 25 team. That would mean they disagree with your assertion that App is not a Top 25 team.

I was gonna add the same thing. No one gives teams votes to be 26th and on. If you're 26th and on, aka the Receiving Votes, section, it means at least one voter put you on their top 25. But you weren't on enough ballots/high enough on the ballots you were actually on to be top 25 when they added up all the individual ballots.

[Kafarmer]

It’s all the system of have’s and have not’s. Look at Texas. They won, yes, but gave up 56 points. How does a Top 10 team give up 56 points? They stayed 9 in the coach’s poll and dropped one spot to 9 in the writer’s poll.

[bigdaddyg]

Why do some of you absolutely obsess over this knowing how it works? We too care of business last year except for the Stink game and in the end we got properly rewarded. We were ranked preseason in various polls and I heard our name mentioned quite often. We got national mention on Game Day prior to Marshall. We got the CBS prime slot and laid an egg. If we go out and whoop La we should get back into the discussion. There is zero credibility with the polls right now. Teams that don’t play like another 3 weeks are ranked? It’s stupid.

[YesAppCan]

Here's another thought regarding power 5 bias... It creates a cyclical, self-fulfilling poll... Teams in SEC, Big 10, Big 12 get voted on because of WHO they are... They are ranked highly (over-ranked) like Oklahoma, and LSU... LSU loses by 10 to unranked Miss State and drop from their lofty #6 spot to # 20 --Miss State jumps to 16th... Now is when fun begins... LSU will win ONE game and will rapidly rise in the polls. It all goes to the assumption that these teams are better than they are. The Big 12 has been PROVEN to be a joke this year. Another thing... NO team should get votes that hasn't played... It's like comparing pre-season polls to mid year polls and mixing the two together.

[EastHallApp]

I honestly do not follow the logic of the complaints on this thread. We don't deserve to be ranked, but some people should have voted for us anyway? As citro said, there's no "also receiving votes" section on an individual ballot. If you don't think we're a top 25 team right now, then you're agreeing with the people who aren't ranking us. Which means you're agreeing with EVERY SINGLE VOTER. Congratulations, it's unanimous!

And then we're not getting why ULL and App dropped after winning this week? We all understand they added the B1G back in, right? Obviously it's weird and if you want to argue they shouldn't be ranked until they've played, that's fine. Judging by the rankings, it's pretty clear a few voters are taking that approach. But the fact is they ARE eligible to be ranked, and so several of them are going to be ranked highly.

[bigdaddyg]

Here's another thought regarding power 5 bias... It creates a cyclical, self-fulfilling poll... Teams in SEC, Big 10, Big 12 get voted on because of WHO they are... They are ranked highly (over-ranked) like Oklahoma, and LSU... LSU loses by 10 to unranked Miss State and drop from their lofty #6 spot to # 20 --Miss State jumps to 16th... Now is when fun begins... LSU will win ONE game and will rapidly rise in the polls. It all goes to the assumption that these teams are better than they are. The Big 12 has been PROVEN to be a joke this year. Another thing... NO team should get votes that hasn't played... It's like comparing pre-season polls to mid year polls and mixing the two together.

I have contended for years that there should be no rankings (that really matter) until after week 6. If a P5 is, say 4-2 after 6 games with a horrible loss and is still ranked that kills credibility. A 5-1 App team with maybe a close loss to a Wisconsin team who is 6-0 (assuming we had played the regular schedule) would probably garner attention and should be ranked. This up and down 10 or so spots week to week is a joke.

[EastHallApp]

Let’s say that the voters saw our first 2 quarters vs Campbell. There’s why we’re not ranked.

Doesn’t matter if they didn’t see it. They did see us crap the bed during the prime time CBS slot, and that’s enough for anyone to stop ranking us.

It’s also tough for me to say ULL is better than those SEC/B1G teams. Their best win came during week one and they took a last minute bomb from their kicker to win the game vs GS and struggled with GaSt.

The first two quarters against Campbell aren't why we aren't ranked. We're not ranked (1) because we lost to Marshall and (2) because they now include teams that weren't in the rankings when we were. We could be 3-0 and not ranked at this point (see UL).

This thread WAS NEVER about us not being ranked. It was how after winning we garnered no points when the week before we had 12. Even understanding how that could possibly be the case, it doesn't explain how Coastal, who didn't play after beating the same Campbell team, remained in the receiving votes category. That was the apparent anomaly that I was initially referencing, not our absence from the top 25.

Not that hard to explain. The voter(s) who previously thought Coastal was a top 25 team decided to keep them in that spot. The voters who ranked us did not.

Obviously Coastal is not really one of the 25 best teams, but the rankings are based on a full season, not just your last game, and their season includes a dominant P5 road win while ours includes a lackluster national TV loss to Marshall.