Why top 25 matters??? Unfortunately

[AppStFan1]

Well, I guess it's a good thing that you don't get to vote for the top 25 :lol

Oh, I'm glad we have the votes. I'm just saying if you know football you know that we probably aren't playing like a top 25 team right now. And we haven't been ranked enough to not worry about our team struggling to focus when they see it. I do have confidence Drink will hammer that home.

[nomadb]

I'm glad that these guys are not AP voters as they seem to have a relatively low opinion of our team and the opponents we've played. We beat the Tar Heels (who had wins against ACC & SEC opponents) and they came 1 play away from beating Clemson the following week. We beat a CCU team handily that has beaten another P5 team. Looks like a pretty decent resume to me and we can only beat the teams that line up against us.
Last year we finished with two losses and no P5 wins and if Virginia Tech had beaten Cincinnati in their bowl we'd have finished in the Top 25 as opposed to the 26th most votes.

Exactly. What our resume looks like changes every week with how the opponents we beat continue to perform. UNC taking Clemson to the end helped us greatly.

CCU beating a P5 and us comfortably beating CCU looks good for us.

There is a great deal of difference between the teams in the top 10 and the teams in 20-25. I think our team should be (as they are) in the conversation of the 20-25 range at this point.

I know a lot of us are not happy with giving up the points we've been giving up, but we are winning and that's what top 25 teams do.

[AppStFan1]

I'm glad that these guys are not AP voters as they seem to have a relatively low opinion of our team and the opponents we've played. We beat the Tar Heels (who had wins against ACC & SEC opponents) and they came 1 play away from beating Clemson the following week. We beat a CCU team handily that has beaten another P5 team. Looks like a pretty decent resume to me and we can only beat the teams that line up against us.
Last year we finished with two losses and no P5 wins and if Virginia Tech had beaten Cincinnati in their bowl we'd have finished in the Top 25 as opposed to the 26th most votes.

Actually, I have a very high opinion of our talent. I said many times in the preseason our team goals should be to run the table, be ranked in the top 20, and be in a NY6 Bowl.

Here is my point. Do we have the talent to be ranked? APPsolutely. Have we played like it? Heck no. Our offense and special teams have played like it but the defense has not. We have several future NFL players on our team and the speed of an SEC team in our starting lineup. The issue is that we have not played like it on defense enough yet. This is why myself and many others worried about the Roof hire. I felt he would bring the play of our defense down somewhat. Losing Stout did hurt but if people are saying we don't have the DL and DB play to keep teams under 20 then we are not a top 25 caliber team in their eyes. The issue is that in my eyes we are and should be. I just want to see us start playing like it. I'm tired of the RV and hearing people debate over 27 and 28 or 29. I'm ready to start debating are we a legit top 20 team. It is time our defense make those adjustments and we rise to it.

Some on here have said that our corners now aren't as talented as the guys last year. I will bet you that both of them will test better than Duck. They are good athletes. It is time we live up to the expectation and dominate. Coming in to the season I said 9-3 should not be tolerated but we had some fans tell me that would be a good season. Guess what, 9-3 in the SBC is nowhere near top 25 caliber. If we go 12-0 though that is.

Let's keep going 1-0 every week and it will happen.

[AppStFan1]

I'm glad that these guys are not AP voters as they seem to have a relatively low opinion of our team and the opponents we've played. We beat the Tar Heels (who had wins against ACC & SEC opponents) and they came 1 play away from beating Clemson the following week. We beat a CCU team handily that has beaten another P5 team. Looks like a pretty decent resume to me and we can only beat the teams that line up against us.
Last year we finished with two losses and no P5 wins and if Virginia Tech had beaten Cincinnati in their bowl we'd have finished in the Top 25 as opposed to the 26th most votes.

Exactly. What our resume looks like changes every week with how the opponents we beat continue to perform. UNC taking Clemson to the end helped us greatly.

CCU beating a P5 and us comfortably beating CCU looks good for us.

There is a great deal of difference between the teams in the top 10 and the teams in 20-25. I think our team should be (as they are) in the conversation of the 20-25 range at this point.

I know a lot of us are not happy with giving up the points we've been giving up, but we are winning and that's what top 25 teams do.

Top 25 teams win against ranked teams. Beating ULM by 14 or less won't cut it. If we played UMASS and won by 17 that does not cut it. A top 25 team beats those teams by 40-50.

UNC did help us but we also need them to get to a bowl. I'm pulling hard for UNC, as much as I hate to.

Think of it this way. Say a couple SBC teams go 9-3 and we win the SBC title and go 13-0, UNC is 7-5 or 6-6 and bowl bound, and South Carolina goes 6-6 and goes to a bowl how high do you think we are ranked? I would say that puts us in the top 20 for sure. We might even reach 15 or 16 at that point.

My issue is if we lose next week to ULL then that will never happen no matter what UNC and South Carolina do. We have to take care of business.

[nomadb]

Well, I think we all agree that losing to ULL takes us out of the TOP 25 conversation.

You beat the teams that are on your schedule. Outside of UNC all of our victories have been decisive despite the fact that our fan base isn't satisfied with the points allowed

That seems to be the argument that I see most right now for why we shouldn't be in the conversation for top 25...."but we're giving up more points than we did last year". We are also scoring more points.

I'd love to see our lockdown D of 2018 and the fast strike offense of 2019 on the same team for sure, but just because we lack the lockdown D doesn't mean we're not capable of competing with Wake, SMU, Michigan State, etc that are at the bottom of the top 25

[hotrod2001]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

[AppStFan1]

Well, I think we all agree that losing to ULL takes us out of the TOP 25 conversation.

You beat the teams that are on your schedule. Outside of UNC all of our victories have been decisive despite the fact that our fan base isn't satisfied with the points allowed

That seems to be the argument that I see most right now for why we shouldn't be in the conversation for top 25...."but we're giving up more points than we did last year". We are also scoring more points.

I'd love to see our lockdown D of 2018 and the fast strike offense of 2019 on the same team for sure, but just because we lack the lockdown D doesn't mean we're not capable of competing with Wake, SMU, Michigan State, etc that are at the bottom of the top 25

We are scoring more points for sure. As much as many loved Satt, some of us, like me, kept saying that we were not managing games very well at times and Satt did not unleash the offense. He was conservative. You are seeing what our offense could have looked like last year as well. I'm glad to see Drink begin to open it up and I still don't think we have seen close to everything yet. Luckily Drink has raised the play of our offense, because if not, I don't think we would be 4-0 now.

I think we can compete or beat Wake, SMU, and Michigan State. I just don't think they are guaranteed wins. Those would be real good games. Have you seen SMU play? They are fun to watch. Matchup wise I think SMU beats us for sure but I think we would beat Michigan State right now. Wake Forest is 50/50 for me. I have not been fully impressed with them overall but they have stud receivers and the way we are playing in the secondary I would be afraid they would equal us in points.

[EastHallApp]

Also, regarding the opinion that we shouldn't get ranked until we KNOW we can keep the ranking....that's ridiculous. You never know what is going to happen. The more times we make it into the top 25 the higher likely hood that we remain there and the easier it is go get back there. It also makes it less of a "special" thing each time we get into the top 25 and less of a distraction. It's just the norm....

Obviously, it is great no matter if we deserve it or not. The issue is if we can't sustain it by beating all the teams we should then we just won't last long. We need to get to the point where we have so much more talent that the question is how much do we win by and how high will we rise each week. Again, let's mention and be glad when we do get ranked but we have some on here who wet their pants.

People like me are the ones who wanted to move up to FBS all along. It was about 40 years too late to be honest. We were always ranked in FCS so I naturally expected we could acquire the talent to be ranked in FBS at some point.

Most who feel like me have higher goals than those wetting their pants over that 1 week 25 rating. How about an eventual move to the AAC and to be ranked consistently every week with a NY6 Bowl bid 2 out of 5 years? How would something like that sound? We are in the SBC now though and just need to run the table.

The SBC is not respected like it should be and thus we will struggled to get that respect until we beat P5s. I could see a week where we get ranked 25 and win but fall back out. We could beat ULM by 10-13 but a couple teams behind us beat a ranked team and they bypass us.

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you are simultaneously arguing that 1) voters don't and won't respect us because we're in the Sun Belt and haven't built up our brand enough, and 2) voters are actually giving us too much respect because we're fairly close to the top 25 even though you don't believe we've been that good.

[AppStFan1]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

[AppStFan1]

Also, regarding the opinion that we shouldn't get ranked until we KNOW we can keep the ranking....that's ridiculous. You never know what is going to happen. The more times we make it into the top 25 the higher likely hood that we remain there and the easier it is go get back there. It also makes it less of a "special" thing each time we get into the top 25 and less of a distraction. It's just the norm....

Obviously, it is great no matter if we deserve it or not. The issue is if we can't sustain it by beating all the teams we should then we just won't last long. We need to get to the point where we have so much more talent that the question is how much do we win by and how high will we rise each week. Again, let's mention and be glad when we do get ranked but we have some on here who wet their pants.

People like me are the ones who wanted to move up to FBS all along. It was about 40 years too late to be honest. We were always ranked in FCS so I naturally expected we could acquire the talent to be ranked in FBS at some point.

Most who feel like me have higher goals than those wetting their pants over that 1 week 25 rating. How about an eventual move to the AAC and to be ranked consistently every week with a NY6 Bowl bid 2 out of 5 years? How would something like that sound? We are in the SBC now though and just need to run the table.

The SBC is not respected like it should be and thus we will struggled to get that respect until we beat P5s. I could see a week where we get ranked 25 and win but fall back out. We could beat ULM by 10-13 but a couple teams behind us beat a ranked team and they bypass us.

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you are simultaneously arguing that 1) voters don't and won't respect us because we're in the Sun Belt and haven't built up our brand enough, and 2) voters are actually giving us too much respect because we're fairly close to the top 25 even though you don't believe we've been that good.

I'm saying being in the SBC right now they aren't giving us respect off the bat. We aren't being ranked in the preseason top 25. They thought we would tail off because of the coaching change. You see how UCF was still ranked despite losing so much? It is because they earned the respect. I would like to get to that point where we can lose our coach and people still expect a top 25 team. We are having to climb back up to the top 25 just like we did last year with our staff returning.

I'm saying voters just slot and don't really look at the teams like they should because while we have been good, we just haven't been well rounded enough yet. If we go 10-2 with our schedule we will not be ranked but if UCF goes 10-2 they will be ranked. We are going to need multiple P5 wins and an undefeated season before we get that respect.

[Rick83]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

[AppStFan1]

Here is a link to the voting breakdown from the AP. We are 29th and still have 46 voters who are not voting for us. There are about 8 other teams getting votes who should not be either but good for them and us.

All teams: https://collegepolltracker.com/football/
App State: https://collegepolltracker.com/football ... neers/2019

Could you imagine how much we would move up if 9-0 with 2 P5 wins? Our point total would easily go from 50 to about 250, which would put us around 20.

We have votes from 16 of the 61 voters. 17 teams are on every ballot. Leaves 8 spots in which 20 different teams have received votes for.

[AppStFan1]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

And I said before. Control what you can control. You just said nothing we post will effect one way or the other. I guess I feel like hey let's just post it when we are ranked instead of counting the votes and spending hours speculating what we need to get ranked. If we keep winning the fact is we will end up being ranked.

[huskie3]

Come on zero get off your inferiority complex. We deserve and should be ranked because of our performance on the field.

[Rick83]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

And I said before. Control what you can control. You just said nothing we post will effect one way or the other. I guess I feel like hey let's just post it when we are ranked instead of counting the votes and spending hours speculating what we need to get ranked. If we keep winning the fact is we will end up being ranked.

This isn't a job for me or any kind of work. Following App sports (specifically football) is about my biggest, and definitely most passionate, hobby that I've stayed active in. "speculating what we need to get ranked" is FUN for me and others. I choose to spend a significant amount of time thinking, posting, reading, and talking (to the annoyance of my family and friends at times) about App. This is an interest, a hobby, it's a fun thing.

[EastHallApp]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

And I said before. Control what you can control. You just said nothing we post will effect one way or the other. I guess I feel like hey let's just post it when we are ranked instead of counting the votes and spending hours speculating what we need to get ranked. If we keep winning the fact is we will end up being ranked.

This isn't a job for me or any kind of work. Following App sports (specifically football) is about my biggest, and definitely most passionate, hobby that I've stayed active in. "speculating what we need to get ranked" is FUN for me and others. I choose to spend a significant amount of time thinking, posting, reading, and talking (to the annoyance of my family and friends at times) about App. This is an interest, a hobby, it's a fun thing.

Wish I could triple-like this post. Spot on for me too.

[AppStFan1]

It's validation for the main stream viewer that Appalachian State is a good team. Yes, we all know we are, but when you're in the Sun Belt and not plastered all over ESPN unless you manage a major upset or insane play, you get overlooked. Being a top 25 team means you live up to the hype. Being a perennial top 25 team year-in and year-out brings up your stock value. And I would assume it helps with recruiting, ticket sales and merchandising on top of it.

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

And I said before. Control what you can control. You just said nothing we post will effect one way or the other. I guess I feel like hey let's just post it when we are ranked instead of counting the votes and spending hours speculating what we need to get ranked. If we keep winning the fact is we will end up being ranked.

This isn't a job for me or any kind of work. Following App sports (specifically football) is about my biggest, and definitely most passionate, hobby that I've stayed active in. "speculating what we need to get ranked" is FUN for me and others. I choose to spend a significant amount of time thinking, posting, reading, and talking (to the annoyance of my family and friends at times) about App. This is an interest, a hobby, it's a fun thing.

I thoroughly enjoy getting on here and talking about App and our team. I just feel like the ranking thing will jinx us and we are focusing more on that than actually beating ULL. There are people on here who want to debate the ranking all day but don't post as much when we talk about the teams.

ULL is a very good team who I think would provide more fun talk for a week at this point. The ranking won't change but things can change for this game such as injuries or our gameplan. Polls are set for a week but nothing about this game is.

ULL can score a lot. This is the perfect time for the defense to clamp down.

[EastHallApp]

Also, regarding the opinion that we shouldn't get ranked until we KNOW we can keep the ranking....that's ridiculous. You never know what is going to happen. The more times we make it into the top 25 the higher likely hood that we remain there and the easier it is go get back there. It also makes it less of a "special" thing each time we get into the top 25 and less of a distraction. It's just the norm....

Obviously, it is great no matter if we deserve it or not. The issue is if we can't sustain it by beating all the teams we should then we just won't last long. We need to get to the point where we have so much more talent that the question is how much do we win by and how high will we rise each week. Again, let's mention and be glad when we do get ranked but we have some on here who wet their pants.

People like me are the ones who wanted to move up to FBS all along. It was about 40 years too late to be honest. We were always ranked in FCS so I naturally expected we could acquire the talent to be ranked in FBS at some point.

Most who feel like me have higher goals than those wetting their pants over that 1 week 25 rating. How about an eventual move to the AAC and to be ranked consistently every week with a NY6 Bowl bid 2 out of 5 years? How would something like that sound? We are in the SBC now though and just need to run the table.

The SBC is not respected like it should be and thus we will struggled to get that respect until we beat P5s. I could see a week where we get ranked 25 and win but fall back out. We could beat ULM by 10-13 but a couple teams behind us beat a ranked team and they bypass us.

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you are simultaneously arguing that 1) voters don't and won't respect us because we're in the Sun Belt and haven't built up our brand enough, and 2) voters are actually giving us too much respect because we're fairly close to the top 25 even though you don't believe we've been that good.

I'm saying being in the SBC right now they aren't giving us respect off the bat. We aren't being ranked in the preseason top 25. They thought we would tail off because of the coaching change. You see how UCF was still ranked despite losing so much? It is because they earned the respect. I would like to get to that point where we can lose our coach and people still expect a top 25 team. We are having to climb back up to the top 25 just like we did last year with our staff returning.

I'm saying voters just slot and don't really look at the teams like they should because while we have been good, we just haven't been well rounded enough yet. If we go 10-2 with our schedule we will not be ranked but if UCF goes 10-2 they will be ranked. We are going to need multiple P5 wins and an undefeated season before we get that respect.

Now I do agree with you here. I was surprised and disappointed we barely got any votes in the preseason poll after finishing just outside the rankings last year and returning so many starters. Contrasted with, say, Army or Nebraska, who got lots of preseason support.

[EastHallApp]

Just being ranked one week does not help much but most definitely if ranked consistently it helps. UCF is able to recruit against many P5s now because they have money and are ranked every week. That is where I want to be. Hopefully we can bring in more money and be ranked every week. It is time we start seeing some legit 4 star talent players show up in Boone!

Dude, we all want to be ranked every week! But, if we only get in a week or two that's better than not at all. Just enjoy the ride . Just because we want to get ranked sooner, rather than later, doesn't mean that we don't want to ranked every week, or make a NY6 bowl, or get invited to the AAC as you mentioned elsewhere...we all want that and we enjoy discussing how close we are to being ranked.
And for the umpteenth time, nothing we post on this board has any influence on our getting ranked or not ranked...

And I said before. Control what you can control. You just said nothing we post will effect one way or the other. I guess I feel like hey let's just post it when we are ranked instead of counting the votes and spending hours speculating what we need to get ranked. If we keep winning the fact is we will end up being ranked.

This isn't a job for me or any kind of work. Following App sports (specifically football) is about my biggest, and definitely most passionate, hobby that I've stayed active in. "speculating what we need to get ranked" is FUN for me and others. I choose to spend a significant amount of time thinking, posting, reading, and talking (to the annoyance of my family and friends at times) about App. This is an interest, a hobby, it's a fun thing.

I thoroughly enjoy getting on here and talking about App and our team. I just feel like the ranking thing will jinx us and we are focusing more on that than actually beating ULL. There are people on here who want to debate the ranking all day but don't post as much when we talk about the teams.

ULL is a very good team who I think would provide more fun talk for a week at this point. The ranking won't change but things can change for this game such as injuries or our gameplan. Polls are set for a week but nothing about this game is.

ULL can score a lot. This is the perfect time for the defense to clamp down.

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The top 25 threads would probably be half as long if not for the continuing debates about whether it's OK for them to exist.

[Rekdiver]

This is the one conversation I think we always start too early......