GREAT quote from OUR HEAD COACH... WSJ

[EastHallApp]

I can think of no bigger challenge in college football than taking an FCS program into the FBS and creating a top flight G5 program. Going to a P5 school with a budget 10x ours is a challenge to raise that program up to the level of the top 10-15 programs, but not really as difficult as the current challenge that faces us.

Now you can argue he may want to coach against the best week in and week out, that would be more challenging than coaching against the SBC.

Bottom line it looks like we get to enjoy him for at least one more season and I'll going to enjoy it. I'll be at as many home games as my family calendar allows and certainly support whatever bowl game we go to. Apathy hasn't crept into my willingness to support this team. It's a marathon not a sprint.

And I think that he's done that. Sure there are goals left: being ranked, beating a P5 etc. But I think every coach with drive wants to see if they can be the next Meyer, Saban. If building a great G5 program was the end all be all Saban would have stayed at Toledo, Meyer would have stayed at BG or Utah. Its just not the same and you know that.

I don't believe he has, I'm speaking to Boise St. or similar type status. "End all be all" isn't this same discussion as which is a bigger challenge.

Look how much quicker Peterson took Washington to the playoffs versus the time it took to build a program like Boise.

I think the issue here may be "bigger challenge" versus "bigger stage." The former is debatable. But any of us I'm sure can understand wanting to compete at the highest level and have a chance to make the playoffs or go to the NY6 other than in a once-in-a-lifetime dream season.

[AppDawg]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

[t4pizza]

“Whenever coaches at this level have success, there’s one of two things that are going to happen over a period of time. You’re going to leave either on your terms or their terms. For us, we’ve had great success here, so I think any time that happens, your name is going to get mentioned.”

READ: Coach Satt will be leaving on his terms

This is my exact interpretation of his quotes. He clearly realizes that there is a business to the profession and loyalty is rarely ever rewarded. I will be happy to have him as long as we can and wish him well when he departs. He needs to look out for himself because we know that the school won't in the long run. When the time comes that the powers that be want to change directions, they won't care that he played for us and coached us to great success, they will just want the next guy. Sad state of affairs, but it's the way of college football.

[appaneer1984]

“Whenever coaches at this level have success, there’s one of two things that are going to happen over a period of time. You’re going to leave either on your terms or their terms. For us, we’ve had great success here, so I think any time that happens, your name is going to get mentioned.”

READ: Coach Satt will be leaving on his terms

This is my exact interpretation of his quotes. He clearly realizes that there is a business to the profession and loyalty is rarely ever rewarded. I will be happy to have him as long as we can and wish him well when he departs. He needs to look out for himself because we know that the school won't in the long run. When the time comes that the powers that be want to change directions, they won't care that he played for us and coached us to great success, they will just want the next guy. Sad state of affairs, but it's the way of college football.

Unfortunately, that's also the way of the world!

[appbio91]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I agree with 100%. That was my point with 500k for 5 yrs point. A guy his age hopefully wants to work until it's not fun anymore. You want to look more than 5yrs out. Long term making what we can pay one can see a good life in Boone NC.

[Rick83]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

DG put into place a 5 year contract for Satt last year but I don't think there are penalties if he leaves before the 5 year term other than Satt giving up some unpaid bonus amounts. I could be wrong about the lack of penalties. I think getting Satt on a longer term contract was one of DG's early priorities.

[hapapp]

One size does not fit all. I wouldn't be surprised if we were looking for a new coach next year at this time or if Scott were still here in 10 years. I seriously doubt anyone here can vouch for what drives him. For someone who has been in the same place for 20+ years, he may be content to live his life here. On the other hand, perhaps he is ready to test new waters given the right opportunity. Though, he doesn't strike me as someone who would move for the sake of a "bigger" job but rather would look to find a job that suits and benefits his family. I guess time will tell.

[MtnMan09]

I can think of no bigger challenge in college football than taking an FCS program into the FBS and creating a top flight G5 program. Going to a P5 school with a budget 10x ours is a challenge to raise that program up to the level of the top 10-15 programs, but not really as difficult as the current challenge that faces us.

Now you can argue he may want to coach against the best week in and week out, that would be more challenging than coaching against the SBC.

Bottom line it looks like we get to enjoy him for at least one more season and I'll going to enjoy it. I'll be at as many home games as my family calendar allows and certainly support whatever bowl game we go to. Apathy hasn't crept into my willingness to support this team. It's a marathon not a sprint.

And I think that he's done that. Sure there are goals left: being ranked, beating a P5 etc. But I think every coach with drive wants to see if they can be the next Meyer, Saban. If building a great G5 program was the end all be all Saban would have stayed at Toledo, Meyer would have stayed at BG or Utah. Its just not the same and you know that.

I don't believe he has, I'm speaking to Boise St. or similar type status. "End all be all" isn't this same discussion as which is a bigger challenge.

Look how much quicker Peterson took Washington to the playoffs versus the time it took to build a program like Boise.

I think the issue here may be "bigger challenge" versus "bigger stage." The former is debatable. But any of us I'm sure can understand wanting to compete at the highest level and have a chance to make the playoffs or go to the NY6 other than in a once-in-a-lifetime dream season.

Exactly. And I'll disagree that taking a team to the playoffs is not as challenging. Its why a Mark Richt gets fired after a 9 win season, why Michigan paid Harbaugh as much as they did, and why Texas is willing to pay Charlie Strong a gazillion dollars not to coach while paying a new guy a gazillion more to try and get them there. Flat out it is hard to do. If you coach you want to be on that stage. And there is nothing wrong with that.

[Saint3333]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

DG put into place a 5 year contract for Satt last year but I don't think there are penalties if he leaves before the 5 year term other than Satt giving up some unpaid bonus amounts. I could be wrong about the lack of penalties. I think getting Satt on a longer term contract was one of DG's early priorities.

There is a buyout and that buyout gets smaller each year he stays. The poaching program would buy the buyout.

[Rick83]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

DG put into place a 5 year contract for Satt last year but I don't think there are penalties if he leaves before the 5 year term other than Satt giving up some unpaid bonus amounts. I could be wrong about the lack of penalties. I think getting Satt on a longer term contract was one of DG's early priorities.

There is a buyout and that buyout gets smaller each year he stays. The poaching program would buy the buyout.

OK, good. So there is a buyout or penalty built into the contract so that if he leaves before the 5 years we'd either get a windfall of some amount to help hire a new coach or it would act as a poison pill for anyone wanting to pick him up too early into the contract. It all depends of course on the amount of the buyout which could be nominal for someone like UC or a P5 program...but may not be nominal to us at least.

[EastHallApp]

If you want to keep a coach like Satt who has an attitude like this then wrap him up with a 10 year deal. This goes both ways. The only fear of a coach is getting fired and having an unsure/insecure future. Of course would we tie ourselves into a deal where we would be stuck with a coach who might lose? For me I'd give Satt and his family some long term guarantees. Ms. Satt likes being "home" so let's make sure they can stay here.

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

DG put into place a 5 year contract for Satt last year but I don't think there are penalties if he leaves before the 5 year term other than Satt giving up some unpaid bonus amounts. I could be wrong about the lack of penalties. I think getting Satt on a longer term contract was one of DG's early priorities.

There is a buyout and that buyout gets smaller each year he stays. The poaching program would buy the buyout.

OK, good. So there is a buyout or penalty built into the contract so that if he leaves before the 5 years we'd either get a windfall of some amount to help hire a new coach or it would act as a poison pill for anyone wanting to pick him up too early into the contract. It all depends of course on the amount of the buyout which could be nominal for someone like UC or a P5 program...but may not be nominal to us at least.

I think that's the key. I may be wrong, but from what I recall Satt's buyout is pretty small. Regardless, it's not going to deter many schools who are willing and able to pay him $2 million a year or more. But it would provide us at least a small chunk of change as we start the search for his replacement.

[EastHallApp]

I can think of no bigger challenge in college football than taking an FCS program into the FBS and creating a top flight G5 program. Going to a P5 school with a budget 10x ours is a challenge to raise that program up to the level of the top 10-15 programs, but not really as difficult as the current challenge that faces us.

Now you can argue he may want to coach against the best week in and week out, that would be more challenging than coaching against the SBC.

Bottom line it looks like we get to enjoy him for at least one more season and I'll going to enjoy it. I'll be at as many home games as my family calendar allows and certainly support whatever bowl game we go to. Apathy hasn't crept into my willingness to support this team. It's a marathon not a sprint.

And I think that he's done that. Sure there are goals left: being ranked, beating a P5 etc. But I think every coach with drive wants to see if they can be the next Meyer, Saban. If building a great G5 program was the end all be all Saban would have stayed at Toledo, Meyer would have stayed at BG or Utah. Its just not the same and you know that.

I don't believe he has, I'm speaking to Boise St. or similar type status. "End all be all" isn't this same discussion as which is a bigger challenge.

Look how much quicker Peterson took Washington to the playoffs versus the time it took to build a program like Boise.

I think the issue here may be "bigger challenge" versus "bigger stage." The former is debatable. But any of us I'm sure can understand wanting to compete at the highest level and have a chance to make the playoffs or go to the NY6 other than in a once-in-a-lifetime dream season.

Exactly. And I'll disagree that taking a team to the playoffs is not as challenging. Its why a Mark Richt gets fired after a 9 win season, why Michigan paid Harbaugh as much as they did, and why Texas is willing to pay Charlie Strong a gazillion dollars not to coach while paying a new guy a gazillion more to try and get them there. Flat out it is hard to do. If you coach you want to be on that stage. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Also worth noting that Petersen is the outlier - for every one of him you could name a dozen Dave Doerens, Al Goldens and Butch Joneses.

[AppDawg]

I made this exact comment last night to a friend. We can't match the cash, but we sure can provide the sense of job security. There certainly is value in that. I'd even take it one step further and extend multiple year contracts to the assistants as well.

DG put into place a 5 year contract for Satt last year but I don't think there are penalties if he leaves before the 5 year term other than Satt giving up some unpaid bonus amounts. I could be wrong about the lack of penalties. I think getting Satt on a longer term contract was one of DG's early priorities.

There is a buyout and that buyout gets smaller each year he stays. The poaching program would buy the buyout.

OK, good. So there is a buyout or penalty built into the contract so that if he leaves before the 5 years we'd either get a windfall of some amount to help hire a new coach or it would act as a poison pill for anyone wanting to pick him up too early into the contract. It all depends of course on the amount of the buyout which could be nominal for someone like UC or a P5 program...but may not be nominal to us at least.

I think that's the key. I may be wrong, but from what I recall Satt's buyout is pretty small. Regardless, it's not going to deter many schools who are willing and able to pay him $2 million a year or more. But it would provide us at least a small chunk of change as we start the search for his replacement.

Small indeed. It may cover 1 years salary, if even that. Certainly not salary + bonuses.

[MtnDevil95]

Lets look at 2 programs and see where the difference is in their relative "glass ceiling."

Take a P5 team like Moo U. What is realistic for Dave Doren and the Wolfpack? ACC Division title (when the division includes Clemson, Florida State and Louisville)? College Football Playoff? Given recruiting, relative competition, is it more reasonable for Doren to have a goal of beating the CHeaters more often than not and getting a bid to the New Year's Six bowl?

If we accept the latter, are Satt's goals that much different? I think it's a reasonable goal for Satt to get this program into a New Year's Six bowl game. Save the Troy misstep and a fumble recovery in overtime, I think this year's team could have been in the conversation for a New Year's Six. Add to that Satt has a more reasonable expectation for a conference title than Doren. So what is the difference? Primarily money, and secondarily exposure. Is it possible to build a CFP or National Championship team at NC State? Sure anything is possible, that's why they actually play the games. Is it THAT much more likely at NC State than App State? Maybe, maybe not if the P5/G5 thing can be overcome.

So what does it take for Satt to be poached? I think ultimately comes down to his selling point. $7 million a year for an SEC West program (and that's cheap)? $3 million for an ACC team? When he leaves (and I think he's too good not to be poached eventually) I think it'll be mostly about the dead presidents, and perhaps a little about program exposure and CFP opportunity.

[bigdaddyg]

I learned long a good business lesson. I asked my boss to give one of my employees a raise. My employee was very smart and did a flawless job each day. My boss asked why my employee deserved what would have been a considerable bump in pay. I gave all of the superlatives mentioned above and then some. My boss told me that I needed to consider what the job is worth. We determined that basically the job was worth what my employee was being paid. Great guy and asset to the company but the job was not worth the asking salary.

There will come a time when that question will be asked and answered. Many people will (and might already) that Satt is worth $1m a year but the reality may be that, based on the return on investment, it is only worth much less. If we reach that point the man will need to accept that fact and be content or take his talents elsewhere.

My employee was recognized as a real asset to the company and quickly was promoted to a management position. We have goals for our program and some may be attainable and some not. I'm sure that any decision Satt is faced with will be tough and I believe he will not just jump ship for a lateral move for the bucks.

[NewApp]

I like others on here will not fault Satt when he leaves. I'll mourn if we start losing, but he's earned the right to take his shot somewhere.

This is the thing that no one is discussing: He can also leave for reasons not about the money. As an aside, I disagree with a previous poster. There is a big difference between 500K and 2.5 mil, especially when you have kids and a wife you are trying to reward for sticking by you, sleeping in motels and couch surfing with you, when you started as an assistant in Boone because you didn't get paid anything. Anyway I digress.

Scott is a competitor and we know that. He wants to win and be challenged. As much as I love the Neers and the Sunbelt rivals we are creating, winners want to take their shot at the best competition. Winners want to see if they can make their mark on CFB history. It is harder to beat USF, Houston, Memphis, Temple, ECU, and Navy weekend, week out than it is our current slate. If he leaves to test his sand against that kind of competition you can't blame him or his desire to reach the pinnacle of his profession. Most of us probably have the same desires in our own careers.

Who exactly? Our only rivals are the ones who are a danger of beating us in a given season. I'm not driving to pigville to see us stomp Georgia Southern. But that's just me.

[MtnMan09]

I like others on here will not fault Satt when he leaves. I'll mourn if we start losing, but he's earned the right to take his shot somewhere.

This is the thing that no one is discussing: He can also leave for reasons not about the money. As an aside, I disagree with a previous poster. There is a big difference between 500K and 2.5 mil, especially when you have kids and a wife you are trying to reward for sticking by you, sleeping in motels and couch surfing with you, when you started as an assistant in Boone because you didn't get paid anything. Anyway I digress.

Scott is a competitor and we know that. He wants to win and be challenged. As much as I love the Neers and the Sunbelt rivals we are creating, winners want to take their shot at the best competition. Winners want to see if they can make their mark on CFB history. It is harder to beat USF, Houston, Memphis, Temple, ECU, and Navy weekend, week out than it is our current slate. If he leaves to test his sand against that kind of competition you can't blame him or his desire to reach the pinnacle of his profession. Most of us probably have the same desires in our own careers.

Who exactly? Our only rivals are the ones who are a danger of beating us in a given season. I'm not driving to pigville to see us stomp Georgia Southern. But that's just me.

It is you. I'm not exactly sure what you are saying, but I think few here would agree with you that GaSo is not a rival. I also think we are in the process of building rivalries with Ark. State and Troy. Maybe I am not understanding your point.

[MtnMan09]

Lets look at 2 programs and see where the difference is in their relative "glass ceiling."

Take a P5 team like Moo U. What is realistic for Dave Doren and the Wolfpack? ACC Division title (when the division includes Clemson, Florida State and Louisville)? College Football Playoff? Given recruiting, relative competition, is it more reasonable for Doren to have a goal of beating the CHeaters more often than not and getting a bid to the New Year's Six bowl?

If we accept the latter, are Satt's goals that much different? I think it's a reasonable goal for Satt to get this program into a New Year's Six bowl game. Save the Troy misstep and a fumble recovery in overtime, I think this year's team could have been in the conversation for a New Year's Six. Add to that Satt has a more reasonable expectation for a conference title than Doren. So what is the difference? Primarily money, and secondarily exposure. Is it possible to build a CFP or National Championship team at NC State? Sure anything is possible, that's why they actually play the games. Is it THAT much more likely at NC State than App State? Maybe, maybe not if the P5/G5 thing can be overcome.

So what does it take for Satt to be poached? I think ultimately comes down to his selling point. $7 million a year for an SEC West program (and that's cheap)? $3 million for an ACC team? When he leaves (and I think he's too good not to be poached eventually) I think it'll be mostly about the dead presidents, and perhaps a little about program exposure and CFP opportunity.

I think it is THAT much more likely that an NC State could make a playoff and not App as far as glass ceilings are concerned. If App goes undefeated this year and beats Miami and Tennessee (arguably one of our toughest schedules ever) they are not in the playoff. If NC State goes undefeated and wins the ACC it is highly likely that they are in the top 4 or at least receiving serious consideration. That is the difference. That is why coaches move up the ladder.

[appgrad]

Also worth noting that Petersen is the outlier - for every one of him you could name a dozen Dave Doerens, Al Goldens and Butch Joneses.

Also - keep in mind that Petersen wasn't the first at Boise. They had a string of Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins before him..all of whom moved on to bigger jobs, then the next guy built on what they left. To build on success on this level, you have to get several hires in a row right.

Butch Jones basically followed Brian Kelly's smoke trails to success at CMU and Cincy...but even Kelly was picking up where Dantonio left off at Cincy.

There will come a time when Scott leaves, so we need to make sure we have our list ready and find that next guy. It's something we haven't done a very good job in with basketball...but I'd say we haven't had a bad coaching hire in football since Working...even hiring Mack begat us Sparky.

[NewApp]

Also worth noting that Petersen is the outlier - for every one of him you could name a dozen Dave Doerens, Al Goldens and Butch Joneses.

Also - keep in mind that Petersen wasn't the first at Boise. They had a string of Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins before him..all of whom moved on to bigger jobs, then the next guy built on what they left. To build on success on this level, you have to get several hires in a row right.

Butch Jones basically followed Brian Kelly's smoke trails to success at CMU and Cincy...but even Kelly was picking up where Dantonio left off at Cincy.

There will come a time when Scott leaves, so we need to make sure we have our list ready and find that next guy. It's something we haven't done a very good job in with basketball...but I'd say we haven't had a bad coaching hire in football since Working...even hiring Mack begat us Sparky.

Fox is a good coach when you consider how young the team is. Too, Buzz was an excellent coach if you can forget how he crapped on us by leaving in one year. It was tiresome hearing that he wore Michael Jordan's shoes, however.