Satterfield to Cincinnati?

[boonedocks]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

[ASU_MBA]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

Exactly. Cincy was going to pay Brohm 2.5 Million a year for 6 years, that is 15 Million guaranteed money. The Cincinnati job pays more than a lot P5 gigs, including what NC State pays Doeren, Wake pays Clawson, etc.

Brohm took the Purdue offer of 3.3 and 20 Mill Instead.

Cincy is a great job, just ask Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and the coach at Michigan State. All 3 used Cincy for a stepping stone to a major P5 job. That kind of money would be very hard to turn down with 3 kids and a family. Even if it didn't work out, someone like Satterfield would walk away a millionaire at 47-48 years old when the contract is over or they get released.

[bigdaddyg]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

Exactly. Cincy was going to pay Brohm 2.5 Million a year for 6 years, that is 15 Million guaranteed money. The Cincinnati job pays more than a lot P5 gigs, including what NC State pays Doeren, Wake pays Clawson, etc.

Brohm took the Purdue offer of 3.3 and 20 Mill Instead.

Cincy is a great job, just ask Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and the coach at Michigan State. All 3 used Cincy for a stepping stone to a major P5 job. That kind of money would be very hard to turn down with 3 kids and a family. Even if it didn't work out, someone like Satterfield would walk away a millionaire at 47-48 years old when the contract is over or they get released.

Insane money.

[ASU84]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

Never had the opportunity to turn down a 400% raise myself. Just sayin

[SpeedkingATL]

If they offer what the outgoing coach was making at $2.2M/year for 4 years that's $8.8M. It would be difficult to turn that down, period. That's a life changing situation. I hope SS is here for many more years but I certainly understand if not. This year I'm actually more concerned that Woody might get poached by a lower level P-5 with the performance of his defense the last 2 seasons. He runs the 3-4 so it would have to be someone that wants that defense. If he did leave we would have a difficult time finding another 3-4 guy as few non-power 5 teams run it as a base.

[EastHallApp]

Cincy is a pretty nice city from the brief time I've spent there.

As far as P5 jobs (or at least the good ones), look where they're hiring from. They don't come knocking on the Sun Belt's door, at least not for their first options. Winning in the AAC is the fast track to a good P5 gig. Probably a better track, actually, than taking a low-end P5 like Wake/Vandy/Iowa State etc., where the odds of success are poor.

Not saying I think he'll go there for sure (if they even pursue him), but anyone saying they can't see a job like that as a step up might be looking with their heart instead of their head.

[EastHallApp]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

Exactly. Cincy was going to pay Brohm 2.5 Million a year for 6 years, that is 15 Million guaranteed money. The Cincinnati job pays more than a lot P5 gigs, including what NC State pays Doeren, Wake pays Clawson, etc.

Brohm took the Purdue offer of 3.3 and 20 Mill Instead.

Cincy is a great job, just ask Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and the coach at Michigan State. All 3 used Cincy for a stepping stone to a major P5 job. That kind of money would be very hard to turn down with 3 kids and a family. Even if it didn't work out, someone like Satterfield would walk away a millionaire at 47-48 years old when the contract is over or they get released.

And would have no trouble landing a high-six-figure job as a lower-G5 HC or a P5 OC.

[Goapps15]

It's a huge step up as far as opportunities. There is still a chance the Big 12 will end up expanding and Cincinnati will be at the top of their list.

Neil Brown will struggle to get that job because of his ties to Tuberville. As others have mentioned it's Fickells job if he wants it more than likely.

[t4pizza]

Cincy is a pretty nice city from the brief time I've spent there.

As far as P5 jobs (or at least the good ones), look where they're hiring from. They don't come knocking on the Sun Belt's door, at least not for their first options. Winning in the AAC is the fast track to a good P5 gig. Probably a better track, actually, than taking a low-end P5 like Wake/Vandy/Iowa State etc., where the odds of success are poor.

Not saying I think he'll go there for sure (if they even pursue him), but anyone saying they can't see a job like that as a step up might be looking with their heart instead of their head.

Arkansas State has seen several coaches recently get hired by P5 programs. It is a cyclical thing, but the AAC does get much more recognition and media coverage so a lot more people know about those programs, including influential alums that may have a more of a say than anyone likes.

[EastHallApp]

Cincy is a pretty nice city from the brief time I've spent there.

As far as P5 jobs (or at least the good ones), look where they're hiring from. They don't come knocking on the Sun Belt's door, at least not for their first options. Winning in the AAC is the fast track to a good P5 gig. Probably a better track, actually, than taking a low-end P5 like Wake/Vandy/Iowa State etc., where the odds of success are poor.

Not saying I think he'll go there for sure (if they even pursue him), but anyone saying they can't see a job like that as a step up might be looking with their heart instead of their head.

Arkansas State has seen several coaches recently get hired by P5 programs. It is a cyclical thing, but the AAC does get much more recognition and media coverage so a lot more people know about those programs, including influential alums that may have a more of a say than anyone likes.

True, they've had two - Freeze and Malzahn - and both were hired by SEC schools where they had previously been assistants. Same with Harsin returning to Boise where he was OC before.

Satt, of course, does not have any P5 coaching experience.

[DaphneUrquhart]

From the Winston Salem Journal Article about Moore winning SB Offensive Player of the year; "Head coach Scott Satterfield wasn’t in Boone on Wednesday, but his staff used a pre-practice slideshow to reveal the team’s all-conference recipients. The final slide informed Moore of his honor." I read that right after I read Sat might be considered for the Cincinnati job. Where was he, interviewing? Where else would he have been on a Wednesday????

No one could blame him for pursing that job; I think it would pay over $2 million per year and it's a much higher profile job.

He was in NY at the HOF Banquet.

And he's in Montgomery today for the bowl game media day. Our coaches do much more than just "coaching". We needn't know their every step.

[HighlandsApp]

From the Winston Salem Journal Article about Moore winning SB Offensive Player of the year; "Head coach Scott Satterfield wasn’t in Boone on Wednesday, but his staff used a pre-practice slideshow to reveal the team’s all-conference recipients. The final slide informed Moore of his honor." I read that right after I read Sat might be considered for the Cincinnati job. Where was he, interviewing? Where else would he have been on a Wednesday????

No one could blame him for pursing that job; I think it would pay over $2 million per year and it's a much higher profile job.

He was in NY at the HOF Banquet.

These types of interviews always occur in out of town sites and at these year end functions like the HOF Banquet. If he was there, he likely had several interviews.

Houston, Cincinnati and now maybe Memphis and WKU are top spring board jobs to good P5 jobs. These positions are probably better than 30% of the bottom feeder P5 jobs. All 4 P5 jobs in NC pay in the $2mm to $2.3mm range.

AppState, Boise State, Wyoming, San Diego State and Troy are all getting bargains with what they are paying per win.

[bigdaddyg]

Dang less than 3 years ago there were some for sale signs posted on at least one thread for the wrong reason. I halfway expect to some them again.

[JTApps1]

If Scott did get offered the job and went nobody could blame him, but man I would hold out for something better if it were me personally. Just not a big fan of that city.

[appgrad95&97]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

That really says a lot. Look all G5 programs are not equal (nor are all P5 programs). There are several P5 programs that are not as attractive as Cincinnati is (I can come up with 20-25 that are less attractive or at least no more attractive than Cincinnati).

But the real issue is this: why is Cincinnati able to pay a coaching staff so much more than App is? (That's a rhetorical question). We've had two very nice seasons. We are (on the field performance-wise) ahead of where I expected us to be at this point. But in the bigger picture, we are very held back by a small fan base and an even smaller donor base. I for one think we are a long way from catching up with the top G5 and bottom third P5 programs. Until we close that gap, we are what we are.

[eggers76]

Several factors, I think.
Cincy is a much bigger town and market
Cincy basketball team has had a lot of tourney success
Cincy has been in larger conferences with greater payouts for basketball tourney, football bowls, and TV revenues for several years now.

We are really just getting started.

[HighlandsApp]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

That really says a lot. Look all G5 programs are not equal (nor are all P5 programs). There are several P5 programs that are not as attractive as Cincinnati is (I can come up with 20-25 that are less attractive or at least no more attractive than Cincinnati).

But the real issue is this: why is Cincinnati able to pay a coaching staff so much more than App is? (That's a rhetorical question). We've had two very nice seasons. We are (on the field performance-wise) ahead of where I expected us to be at this point. But in the bigger picture, we are very held back by a small fan base and an even smaller donor base. I for one think we are a long way from catching up with the top G5 and bottom third P5 programs. Until we close that gap, we are what we are.

Interestingly, we need to do whatever WKU and Western Michigan are doing.

Kalamazoo has lots of wealth and is a well off small city of 75k and metro of a surprising 335k, and WKU is in Bowling Green which is 65k and a metro of 165k. Boise is a city of 240k and a metro of 700k. This considered, AppState is doing AWESOME. The programs that we are emulating have significant advantages over Boone.

It will be more difficult for us, but we are AppState after all, so we will reach these heights.

[EastHallApp]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

That really says a lot. Look all G5 programs are not equal (nor are all P5 programs). There are several P5 programs that are not as attractive as Cincinnati is (I can come up with 20-25 that are less attractive or at least no more attractive than Cincinnati).

But the real issue is this: why is Cincinnati able to pay a coaching staff so much more than App is? (That's a rhetorical question). We've had two very nice seasons. We are (on the field performance-wise) ahead of where I expected us to be at this point. But in the bigger picture, we are very held back by a small fan base and an even smaller donor base. I for one think we are a long way from catching up with the top G5 and bottom third P5 programs. Until we close that gap, we are what we are.

Interestingly, we need to do whatever WKU and Western Michigan are doing.

Kalamazoo has lots of wealth and is a well off small city of 75k and metro of a surprising 335k, and WKU is in Bowling Green which is 65k and a metro of 165k. Boise is a city of 240k and a metro of 700k. This considered, AppState is doing AWESOME. The programs that we are emulating have significant advantages over Boone.

It will be more difficult for us, but we are AppState after all, so we will reach these heights.

I actually think we're pretty comparable with WKU and WMU as a program. Financially, Brohm and Fleck are/were making just a notch above what we're paying Satt. On the field, I'd say last year we were maybe a notch below WKU and better than WMU. This year, obviously WMU had their dream season, while we were about on par with WKU.

I think you are dead on about the challenges of being in a small, remote location.

[HighlandsApp]

They were paying $2 million or a little more to Tuberville, correct? I couldn't blame Coach for taking that kind of money. I hope he doesn't leave, but when is the last time anybody here turned down a 400% pay raise?

That really says a lot. Look all G5 programs are not equal (nor are all P5 programs). There are several P5 programs that are not as attractive as Cincinnati is (I can come up with 20-25 that are less attractive or at least no more attractive than Cincinnati).

But the real issue is this: why is Cincinnati able to pay a coaching staff so much more than App is? (That's a rhetorical question). We've had two very nice seasons. We are (on the field performance-wise) ahead of where I expected us to be at this point. But in the bigger picture, we are very held back by a small fan base and an even smaller donor base. I for one think we are a long way from catching up with the top G5 and bottom third P5 programs. Until we close that gap, we are what we are.

Interestingly, we need to do whatever WKU and Western Michigan are doing.

Kalamazoo has lots of wealth and is a well off small city of 75k and metro of a surprising 335k, and WKU is in Bowling Green which is 65k and a metro of 165k. Boise is a city of 240k and a metro of 700k. This considered, AppState is doing AWESOME. The programs that we are emulating have significant advantages over Boone.

It will be more difficult for us, but we are AppState after all, so we will reach these heights.

I actually think we're pretty comparable with WKU and WMU as a program. Financially, Brohm and Fleck are/were making just a notch above what we're paying Satt. On the field, I'd say last year we were maybe a notch below WKU and better than WMU. This year, obviously WMU had their dream season, while we were about on par with WKU.

I think you are dead on about the challenges of being in a small, remote location.

The main issue is lack of local larger regional corporations to fund us. The corporate partners that are actually located in Boone are awesome but very small businesses. The Mast General Store and the local wireless company may allocate a good amount of their advertising budget to the university but it is still a small budget. Then we have business in Charlotte and WS to try to engage, but their primary engagement will be with hometown institutions.

This article about Western Michigan is interesting as it states that it is donors that pay bulk of Fleck's new salary:

http://www.westernherald.com/sports/art ... 26a72.html

“The majority of coaches' contracts are not from university funding. It’s coming from donors,” said Beauregard. “We have to find donors to help pay for the rest of the contract. You have to have a good group of donors and WMU has that.”
Western Michigan University head football coach P.J. Fleck is the highest paid coach in the Mid-American Conference, with WMU donors accounting for 70 percent of Fleck’s $800,000 contract. The administration said that his contract could increase if Fleck continues to win and gain interest from other football programs. The university pays each athletic coach at WMU a base salary, but the athletic department must rely on donors for the remaining funds of the contract, which, in Fleck’s case, is $575,000."

[JTApps1]

Several factors, I think.
Cincy is a much bigger town and market
Cincy basketball team has had a lot of tourney success
Cincy has been in larger conferences with greater payouts for basketball tourney, football bowls, and TV revenues for several years now.

We are really just getting started.

I know this isn't the end all and be all to show size of a fan base, but Cincy came in at 33,585 for average attendance while App was 26,153. Not too bad considering the advantages Cincy has as you noted above.