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Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs

Unread post by hapapp » Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:41 pm

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Watched the majority of games during Tony’s time at ECU. It’s a weird year so I’m taking everything with a grain of salt, but his issues at ECU certainly showed here in his first year. Redzone was a big problem this year, something like 109th in the country last time i checked. I think we were at least top 50 last year, and i think I’m being pretty generous with that number. ECU was awful in the redzone during his stint there. His offense at ECU often looked pretty good during the first drive of each game, when he had a week to prep, but things got derailed after when he had to adjust on the fly, which I think we saw here. It was also believed to be a pretty solid rumor that Montgomery stripped TP of play calling in that third year. Skip Holtz also stripped him of play calling at La Tech.

Clark said time and time again the offense was staying the same. To have what we had come back and s drop off like we did is concerning. Even before the injuries i never thought the offense looked right. Should have put up 50+ on Charlotte but sputter over and over. I’m not up in arms calling for his job, but it would make me feel better about Clark as the HMIC if he could recognize that TPs time has past.
I have one question. How many passes have we thrown to RBs this year? Remember the wheel routes we threw to RBs last year and the years past? We haven't hardly thrown to a RB at all this year. I think TP needs to move on. All my ECU friends laugh that we have him.
Perhaps we don't because we don't have a back that can't execute that. We tried one last night and an open Peoples let it go right through his hands.

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Unread post by AppState89 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:45 am

I knew someone was going to say this. It might be true, but at this level, somebody should be able to catch a pass out of the backfield.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:20 am

If we gauged future success based on past success, then Dale Jones wouldn’t be here. Let’s see what he does after having an entire Spring and off-season to work with his guys,

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Unread post by BallantyneApp » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 am

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If we gauged future success based on past success, then Dale Jones wouldn’t be here. Let’s see what he does after having an entire Spring and off-season to work with his guys,
we'll see. Dale Jones had 1 point of reference. Peterson has several points of reference.

maybe it will all come together for 2021 despite having a new QB and at least some new OL, maybe up to 4, but theres an oft used quote about insanity that I think we'll end up applying here.

Hope i'm wrong.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:10 am

BallantyneApp wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:20 am
If we gauged future success based on past success, then Dale Jones wouldn’t be here. Let’s see what he does after having an entire Spring and off-season to work with his guys,
we'll see. Dale Jones had 1 point of reference. Peterson has several points of reference.

maybe it will all come together for 2021 despite having a new QB and at least some new OL, maybe up to 4, but theres an oft used quote about insanity that I think we'll end up applying here.

Hope i'm wrong.
That's true. I have had questions as well, but statistics can be misleading also. You may have a better understanding of what he had to work with at those previous programs, but the stats reflect more than just the OC performance. What was the culture at those programs? Did he have the support of the HC? Did he have a talented roster or was he having to make do with what was available? Was the D any good or did the number of opportunities shrink because the D spent an inordinate amount of time on the field?

Statistics are great as information, but they aren't an end in themselves and are frequently misinterpreted.

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:01 am

HC will bring back OC for 2021 season. Given the unusual year, he probably should. Hopefully with the full off-season, the offense will flow better next season. If not, then it seems HC has a decision to make.
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Unread post by NavyApp » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:22 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:10 am
BallantyneApp wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:20 am
If we gauged future success based on past success, then Dale Jones wouldn’t be here. Let’s see what he does after having an entire Spring and off-season to work with his guys,
we'll see. Dale Jones had 1 point of reference. Peterson has several points of reference.

maybe it will all come together for 2021 despite having a new QB and at least some new OL, maybe up to 4, but theres an oft used quote about insanity that I think we'll end up applying here.

Hope i'm wrong.
That's true. I have had questions as well, but statistics can be misleading also. You may have a better understanding of what he had to work with at those previous programs, but the stats reflect more than just the OC performance. What was the culture at those programs? Did he have the support of the HC? Did he have a talented roster or was he having to make do with what was available? Was the D any good or did the number of opportunities shrink because the D spent an inordinate amount of time on the field?

Statistics are great as information, but they aren't an end in themselves and are frequently misinterpreted.
Those are all great points. But if you can factor in the answers to those questions to his current situation and see that the results still fall in line with his historical averages does that not help clearify who he is as an OC? This is what he is. Unless HE changes himself you can not expect changes in the results. So here's to hoping he uses this off season to grow as a play caller to maximize the talent we have!
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Unread post by AppDub » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:42 pm

Mayne he's just a really good QB coach moonlighting as an average OC.

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Unread post by AppDub » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:43 pm

Maybe

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Unread post by The Rock » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:56 pm

AppDub wrote:
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Mayne he's just a really good QB coach moonlighting as an average OC.
Zac Thomas may beg to differ

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Unread post by JMappfan5 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:12 pm

AppState89 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:28 pm
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Watched the majority of games during Tony’s time at ECU. It’s a weird year so I’m taking everything with a grain of salt, but his issues at ECU certainly showed here in his first year. Redzone was a big problem this year, something like 109th in the country last time i checked. I think we were at least top 50 last year, and i think I’m being pretty generous with that number. ECU was awful in the redzone during his stint there. His offense at ECU often looked pretty good during the first drive of each game, when he had a week to prep, but things got derailed after when he had to adjust on the fly, which I think we saw here. It was also believed to be a pretty solid rumor that Montgomery stripped TP of play calling in that third year. Skip Holtz also stripped him of play calling at La Tech.

Clark said time and time again the offense was staying the same. To have what we had come back and s drop off like we did is concerning. Even before the injuries i never thought the offense looked right. Should have put up 50+ on Charlotte but sputter over and over. I’m not up in arms calling for his job, but it would make me feel better about Clark as the HMIC if he could recognize that TPs time has past.
I have one question. How many passes have we thrown to RBs this year? Remember the wheel routes we threw to RBs last year and the years past? We haven't hardly thrown to a RB at all this year. I think TP needs to move on. All my ECU friends laugh that we have him.
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Re: Tony Petersen stats at previous jobs

Unread post by AppDub » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:57 pm

The Rock wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:56 pm
AppDub wrote:
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Mayne he's just a really good QB coach moonlighting as an average OC.
Zac Thomas may beg to differ
I imagine he would.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:44 pm

Anyone notice the sleeve Zac had for calling plays last Saturday? It was the first time I've seen him with one. I looked back and couldn't find another game with one.

And maybe it was the cameras, but I didn't see him using it much.

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Anyone notice the sleeve Zac had for calling plays last Saturday? It was the first time I've seen him with one. I looked back and couldn't find another game with one.

And maybe it was the cameras, but I didn't see him using it much.
He wore it on his belt in previous games.

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Unread post by boonetown1 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:28 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:44 pm
Anyone notice the sleeve Zac had for calling plays last Saturday? It was the first time I've seen him with one. I looked back and couldn't find another game with one.

And maybe it was the cameras, but I didn't see him using it much.
He’s worn that all year. That’s why I’m confused. Did TP change the terminology? If so, that’s crazy dumb with a 5th year guy during a year where you should keep things consistent.

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Unread post by Appstate88 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:57 pm

If SC let TP go, who would you bring in to be OC?
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:01 pm

Someone on the cheap.

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Unread post by TheAppalachianState » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:20 pm

Someone young and hungry and not a consistently poor history

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Unread post by t4pizza » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:26 pm

Appstate88 wrote:
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If SC let TP go, who would you bring in to be OC?
Anybody that can demonstrate a grasp of offense AND play calling. Someone who can make adjustments at halftime. In short, anyone that Shawn is comfortable with that doesn't have a history of having his play calling duties striped by previous coaches because he had proven to be inept. If you don't learn from history you are going to repeat it, sadly we are the ones repeating the history of giving a man duties that he has already proven to be inept at executing on the playing field.

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Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:42 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
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Someone on the cheap.
This. There's a reason Clark chose TP, and it's not all x's and o's... Nor is it because TP was the only one willing to adapt to our offense (which didn't happen).
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