Game discussion

EastHallApp
Posts: 6785
Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:34 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Raleigh
Has thanked: 3374 times
Been thanked: 2942 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:30 am

WVAPPeer wrote:Certainly I could be wrong BUT my understanding of what was originally posted was that he was saying he missed the RIVALRIES we had in the SoCon - and if you guys were around from the 90s up until 2010+ then I am not sure how you disagree with that basic statement??? - Over 30,000 for Western Carolina and Elon and Wofford --- I don't remember anyone saying the SoCon football was better??? saying they missed the actual teams or schools??? - saying it was a mistake to have moved up??? - JUST MISSED THE RIVALRIES

Unfortunately some folks seem unwilling or unable to grasp such nuance when it comes to this topic.

Saint3333
Posts: 14472
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2000 8:42 am
Has thanked: 4051 times
Been thanked: 6253 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:31 am

End this madness, rivalry with Elon and Wofford? I never felt we had a rivalry with either. What we had was an easy road trip for the fans to drive a couple hours and watch us play teams with 1/2 the resources we had. Honestly even talking about a rivalry with WCU? Unless you were an App fan in the 80's there really wasn't a rivalry, it was a beat down year after year.

I miss playing the Furman of the late 80's-early 2000's, but for the past 10 years they have been a bad FCS program. We brought GS with us, so I fail to see what we are missing from the SoCon. I'll enjoy our upcoming OOC series more than those non-GS SoCon games. You can argue you miss the playoffs, I completely understand your point there.

I enjoyed our time in the SoCon, so many great memories, but it is time the fanbase embraces new "rivalries" and challenges. Five years from now we'll have heated games with Ark St., Troy, GA St. and of course GS. One of our fanbases biggest challenges is adapting to their personal challenges with this move. I know we can't make most of the road games any longer, but try picking one of two road games to attend and make it an event (a weekend). There are some neat places to travel to (ULL, Texas St., Atlanta, Mobile, and hopefully the bowl games.

I plan on watching Ark St. @ USA on ESPN3 this weekend not a SoCon game.

bigdaddyg
Posts: 5832
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:08 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 2474 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:06 am

Gonzo wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:Certainly I could be wrong BUT my understanding of what was originally posted was that he was saying he missed the RIVALRIES we had in the SoCon - and if you guys were around from the 90s up until 2010+ then I am not sure how you disagree with that basic statement??? - Over 30,000 for Western Carolina and Elon and Wofford --- I don't remember anyone saying the SoCon football was better??? saying they missed the actual teams or schools??? - saying it was a mistake to have moved up??? - JUST MISSED THE RIVALRIES
What rivalries? In our last year in the SoCon we had one rival: GaSo. If you miss the Furman and WCU rivalries now, you'd miss them just the same if we were still a SoCon member.

6 SoCon championships in 7 years. No loses to WCU and merely one to Furman in our last JV decade. If your nostalgia demands old rivalries, you wouldn't be any better off if we stayed put. If you crave excitement circa Armanti, I'll remind you that Deandre Presley, Jamal Jackson, and Kam Bryant were poor substitutes to AE and those FCS offenses were far less dynamic than Lamb/Cox/Meadors.
Agree completely with the "rivalry" comments. I personally never really got the Western rivalry thing. It's been said that to have a real rivalry the other team needs to win a good % of the matchups. After the Michigan game whenever I wore App gear people would stop me and would have something positive to say- cool. Outside of our world virtually nobody even knew we played in and won national championships. Hard to believe there was a time not that long ago when we lost to Wofford, Furman and other small SOCON schools. Perhaps I was delusional but at the height of our conference and national championship runs I could not believe we sometimes lost to those guys.

User avatar
WVAPPeer
Posts: 12426
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:14 am
School: Other
Location: Born: Almost Heaven
Has thanked: 4911 times
Been thanked: 2634 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:27 am

Largest crowds[edit]
Attend.
Opponent
Result
Date

1 34,658 Miami (Fla) L, 45-10 Sept. 17, 2016
2 31,531 Elon W, 34–31 Oct. 09, 2010
3 30,931 Wofford W, 70–24 Oct. 31, 2008
4 30,856 Montana W, 35-27 Sept. 8, 2012
5 30,718 Jacksonville W, 56–7 Sept. 6, 2008
6 30,622 Western Carolina W, 46–14 Nov. 12, 2011
7 30,098 Western Carolina W, 19–14 Nov. 21, 2009
8 30,018 Georgia Southern W, 24-17 Oct. 29, 2011
9 29,631 The Citadel W, 57–21 Oct. 4, 2008
10 29,519 The Citadel W, 39-10 Oct. 16, 2010
11 29,218 North Carolina Central W, 44-16 Sept. 18, 2010

All that I have said and I am not speaking for anyone else - is that we had great crowds come to KBS and evidently our opponent brought a number of people with them - as you might notice AE didn't play in 8 of those games ===
Whether you consider them rivals or I consider them rivals is irrelevant - people came to the games ---
"Montani Semper Liberi"

The Dude Abides!!!

User avatar
App91
Posts: 3828
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:28 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 671 times
Been thanked: 480 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by App91 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:36 am

WVAPPeer wrote:Certainly I could be wrong BUT my understanding of what was originally posted was that he was saying he missed the RIVALRIES we had in the SoCon - and if you guys were around from the 90s up until 2010+ then I am not sure how you disagree with that basic statement??? - Over 30,000 for Western Carolina and Elon and Wofford --- I don't remember anyone saying the SoCon football was better??? saying they missed the actual teams or schools??? - saying it was a mistake to have moved up??? - JUST MISSED THE RIVALRIES
Exactly, some folks on here are even better at twisting words than my wife! I say i don't like that dress, she hears im saying she's fat. My god some people are ridiculous. No one is advocating going back, the Socon as it is is a joke. I do miss big games against furman or wofford or WCU driving to those away games. Just like i miss things from my childhood. Would not go back, but have fond memories. Nothing more, nothing less. Just stop!!!

Longrifle28
Posts: 1354
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:59 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1422 times
Been thanked: 583 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Longrifle28 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:52 am

I think when moving to a new division and conference, it may take time to build rivalries. We are definitely still rivals with Georgia Southern because there is a history there. That history will need to develop with some of our new conference mates. I could see us developing a rivalry with Coastal and Arkansas State.

I was apprehensive (but for) the move up because of the competition that we would get to see at our stadium. With Miami this year and our developing schedules moving forward I am more than pleased with that aspect of the move. I do miss the feeling of the playoffs, but I also enjoyed the bowl atmosphere last year. I did not like the direction that the SoCon was headed, and I think GS and App moved at the right time.

Regarding this particular game. Wednesday night with a team we have no history with and has a losing record. Stands were empty and the atmosphere was flat. Prime time on ESPN2 was good for us though. I hope we can get our team healthy moving into the meat of our schedule. I've seen enough of our team and schemes to know that we are capable of beating anyone. Just need to put it all together.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

User avatar
ed62
Posts: 9
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:16 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1 time

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by ed62 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:57 am

bigdaddyg wrote:My interpretation of some comments regarding the SOCON are as follows: I don't believe any reasonable App fan on this board has any desire to go back to FCS or to the SOCON, or NAIA or D2, etc. I don't believe anyone wants App to go back to Appalachian Teachers College and I don't think anyone wants our schedule to include Lenoir Rhyne and Mars Hill. What I THINK I am reading is that many of the Sunbelt teams stink and I also think I read that some folks have a difficult time getting hyped up for conference games against teams hundreds of miles away in stadiums with 10k in fans. If I read some numbers correctly at least 3 of our away conference games last year had attendance figures of 10k to maybe 13k each. That is pitiful. The hope is that either our member programs pick it up with level of competition and with level of interest with increased attendance.

Again I can't imagine any football fan worth his salt wanting to regress. Bottom line..calm down guys.
My sentiments.......to go with my $.02...... ;-)
'90 Go Apps!

User avatar
Gonzo
Posts: 4899
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:11 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 568 times
Been thanked: 1983 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Gonzo » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:05 am

10 maybe 13K would lead the SoCon in attendance.

El Cid had the highest average in the Southern last season with 10,665.
Last edited by Gonzo on Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

CarpeDiem
Posts: 1
Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:58 am
School: Appalachian State

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by CarpeDiem » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:05 am

Seattleapp wrote:
appbio91 wrote:ULL has a great program. It was a Wednesday night game most G5 us included would not draw well. I might be wrong but did they not beat ECU in the NO bowl two years in a row prior to us joining the SB? They are on a skid right now but no way they can be compared to Furman. Idaho does not belong and they are being kicked for a better FCS program that brings a shit load more than FB. We soon get a conference championship game. No way I would go back. I have to say the bowl game last year was every bit as fun and got us more coverage on ESPN than any of the NC. The NC's were awesome and I would not minimize them at all but this is our reality now. I'm sorry but the football is so much better. This team would destroy any of our NC teams. We are so much bigger and deeper. I get missing the rivalry but we are developing some good ones with stAte and GASt reminds me of Elon, they want to beat us so bad. This is good and it is where we belong right now.
With all due respect, no way was the bowl game more fun than winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Are you kidding?

You're ignorant if you think anyone outside of the App fanbase gave a damn about the "Cameillia Bowl" Comparing a 14 win season to a bowl win that no one cares about is Apples and Oranges.

User avatar
Rekdiver
Posts: 7736
Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:14 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1506 times
Been thanked: 3910 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Rekdiver » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:13 am

I enjoyed all three National Championships..........but a lot of people nationally still didnt know much about us. The Camellia Bowl drew better ratings than all 3 of our NC games and now we get mentioned on ESPN frequently.... It's nice to be relevant.

mountaineerman
Posts: 1915
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:05 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 397 times
Been thanked: 699 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by mountaineerman » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:21 am

CarpeDiem wrote:
Seattleapp wrote:
appbio91 wrote:ULL has a great program. It was a Wednesday night game most G5 us included would not draw well. I might be wrong but did they not beat ECU in the NO bowl two years in a row prior to us joining the SB? They are on a skid right now but no way they can be compared to Furman. Idaho does not belong and they are being kicked for a better FCS program that brings a shit load more than FB. We soon get a conference championship game. No way I would go back. I have to say the bowl game last year was every bit as fun and got us more coverage on ESPN than any of the NC. The NC's were awesome and I would not minimize them at all but this is our reality now. I'm sorry but the football is so much better. This team would destroy any of our NC teams. We are so much bigger and deeper. I get missing the rivalry but we are developing some good ones with stAte and GASt reminds me of Elon, they want to beat us so bad. This is good and it is where we belong right now.
With all due respect, no way was the bowl game more fun than winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Are you kidding?

You're ignorant if you think anyone outside of the App fanbase gave a damn about the "Cameillia Bowl" Comparing a 14 win season to a bowl win that no one cares about is Apples and Oranges.
Yes even comparing sunbelt to socon is apples and oranges. I now realize that fcs football is irrelevant outside of fcs. The bowl game last year was watched by a lot of people and did more for the program than a fcs national championship.

User avatar
moonshine
Posts: 2203
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:25 am
School: Appalachian State
Location: High Country
Has thanked: 289 times
Been thanked: 755 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by moonshine » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:25 am

Longrifle28 wrote:I think when moving to a new division and conference, it may take time to build rivalries. We are definitely still rivals with Georgia Southern because there is a history there. That history will need to develop with some of our new conference mates. I could see us developing a rivalry with Coastal and Arkansas State.
This is the answer right here App fans. Yes, App developed rivalries with our former Socon foes. Those rivalries weren't built overnight and jumping to FBS would not change the fact that it will take time to develop some rivalries with our current conference mates. Unless App somehow managed to be in a conference with ECU (history), Marshall (history), Wake (history) and UNCC (proximity), it's going to take some time to build interest with the unfamiliar competition.

As you can see from my example, 3 of the 4 teams App already has some sort of history of playing. With that said, it would probably only be seen as a rivalry by our fan base while the others would most likely not see App as a rivalry for at least a few years. Outside of the 49ers, the rest feel they "left" App behind decades ago. It would only take a few entertaining, chippy close games against these programs to get that rivalry fire lit.

I'm already developing a strong dislike for stAte and if the Sun Belt splits into divisions with a cross over rival, I hope it's the Red Wolves! I can easily see CCU becoming a fun rivalry. Who doesn't like going to the beach? Same goes for GAST if they can ever become competitive against the Mountaineers.
Picked up via free agency by the High Country All-Stars

Rick83
Posts: 2766
Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:00 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2040 times
Been thanked: 1628 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Rick83 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:13 pm

In my opinion the Sun Belt was a perfect transition-to-FBS conference for us...plus we were able to move up with Georgia Southern so we have a built in rival from the start {I love to hate those guys}. Winning begats winning so if we moved to a stronger conference and had losing seasons, fan support would wane and it could take a while to build it back up. With the Sun Belt we're going to be an annual challenger for the conference championship and the program will build with continued national exposure. I doubt the Sun Belt will be a forever thing but it's fun to learn about other teams and watch our guys beat up on them...I've been following the Mountaineers since 1979 and was ready for us to make a change. I don't miss Wofford, Furman, WCU et al..at all...and I'm really proud of our team on how successfully they've made the step up to FBS.

Goapps15
Posts: 1269
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:52 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 612 times
Been thanked: 298 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Goapps15 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Troy I believe could become a great rival. Both have had great success. Both had coaches who stayed too long but are now back to the levels of the peak years. The first road game I ever went to was the Troy playoff game in 2000.

SpeedkingATL
Posts: 1192
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:40 am
School: Appalachian State
Location: Atlanta GA
Has thanked: 106 times
Been thanked: 235 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by SpeedkingATL » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:01 pm

I would add that we do have some history with Troy as well. If both teams are undefeated for this year's game it could certainly start lighting a rivalry fire under that one. No reason that GaSt and CCU shouldn't become contested. Having been at App in the early 70's I would love to see more of ECU.

bigdaddyg
Posts: 5832
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:08 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 2474 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:16 pm

SpeedkingATL wrote:I would add that we do have some history with Troy as well. If both teams are undefeated for this year's game it could certainly start lighting a rivalry fire under that one. No reason that GaSt and CCU shouldn't become contested. Having been at App in the early 70's I would love to see more of ECU.
It does take time to generate a rivalry. It will also help if our other sports become relevant again. Does anyone think that Ga Tech v Boston College generates any interest? Lots of ACC teams have no spark when they meet. Someone mentioned that FCS gets no attention and now we do on ESPN. That is true to an extent but I found it interesting (and troubling) to see how we have fared with exposure. Pre UT we were just their opener as they (UT) was picked to do great things. Post UT we got a lot of mention as the "good" team that nearly knocked them off. Pre Miami we still got press and some TV love as well. Post Miami we started to fade on the national scene. The glaring omission was late Wednesday night and on Thursday. We were the ONLY college game Wednesday but yet no story about the game on the ESPN college football page. That being said back in the national championship years there was barely any mention anywhere. Baby steps

appbio91
Posts: 2490
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:00 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 238 times
Been thanked: 468 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by appbio91 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:12 pm

Keep in mind this stupid discussion started because we are good. Also no I am not kidding. I was at all three NC games and attended our first bowl game. The bowl game was our championship game in 2015. Nobody cares about any bowl game not played on NYE or NYD outside of the fan base. Tell me who cares about what most people think is a D2 NC. And don't tell me you never had to explain to someone the difference between D2 and FCS. The NC's were gold to us but nobody else gave a rats ass.

Rick83
Posts: 2766
Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:00 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2040 times
Been thanked: 1628 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by Rick83 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:24 pm

appbio91 wrote:Keep in mind this stupid discussion started because we are good. Also no I am not kidding. I was at all three NC games and attended our first bowl game. The bowl game was our championship game in 2015. Nobody cares about any bowl game not played on NYE or NYD outside of the fan base. Tell me who cares about what most people think is a D2 NC. And don't tell me you never had to explain to someone the difference between D2 and FCS. The NC's were gold to us but nobody else gave a rats ass.
You're right about that appbio91, my own brother (an NC State grad), who's lived in California for the last 30 years wasn't even aware of our 3 time national championship run.

mountaineerman
Posts: 1915
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:05 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 397 times
Been thanked: 699 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by mountaineerman » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:05 pm

Rick83 wrote:
appbio91 wrote:Keep in mind this stupid discussion started because we are good. Also no I am not kidding. I was at all three NC games and attended our first bowl game. The bowl game was our championship game in 2015. Nobody cares about any bowl game not played on NYE or NYD outside of the fan base. Tell me who cares about what most people think is a D2 NC. And don't tell me you never had to explain to someone the difference between D2 and FCS. The NC's were gold to us but nobody else gave a rats ass.
You're right about that appbio91, my own brother (an NC State grad), who's lived in California for the last 30 years wasn't even aware of our 3 time national championship run.
That's because besides us no one cared seriously! If we keep competing at the highest level it will develop.

bcoach
Posts: 4810
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:49 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1538 times
Been thanked: 1736 times

Re: Game discussion

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:08 pm

Rick83 wrote:
appbio91 wrote:Keep in mind this stupid discussion started because we are good. Also no I am not kidding. I was at all three NC games and attended our first bowl game. The bowl game was our championship game in 2015. Nobody cares about any bowl game not played on NYE or NYD outside of the fan base. Tell me who cares about what most people think is a D2 NC. And don't tell me you never had to explain to someone the difference between D2 and FCS. The NC's were gold to us but nobody else gave a rats ass.
You're right about that appbio91, my own brother (an NC State grad), who's lived in California for the last 30 years wasn't even aware of our 3 time national championship run.
You guys talk much?

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic

Return to “Appalachian Football”