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Kgfish · Unread post by **Kgfish** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:10 pm

What's that saying about timing being everything?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... team-model

8993 · Unread post by **8993** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:14 pm

With App going FBS now, and CUSA mentioning a tighter geographical footprint, there is a slim chance that CUSA will look at Appalachian again. The chance is VERY slim, but you never know. Even if CUSA was to offer App an invite, we would likely turn it down in favor of the SBC and Georgia Southern.

asumike83 · Unread post by **asumike83** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:27 pm

If C-USA was not interested in Appalachian a few months ago, I'm sure they still are not interested. If anything, having already begun the transition would be a positive but I doubt they look at any FCS transitions this time around. Like any school in the SBC, App would jump ship to C-USA in a heartbeat if the offer was on the table.

My money is on ULL and Arkansas State.

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:31 pm

asumike83 wrote:If C-USA was not interested in Appalachian a few months ago, I'm sure they still are not interested. If anything, having already begun the transition would be a positive but I doubt they look at any FCS transitions this time around. Like any school in the SBC, App would jump ship to C-USA in a heartbeat if the offer was on the table.

My money is on ULL and Arkansas State.

That's the popular thinking. It's probably right, but it would stink if those two were to leave the SBC

eggers76 · Unread post by **eggers76** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:33 pm

From my uneducated way of looking at this, they offer a couple of established Sun Belt teams forcing the Sun Belt to look at other FCS move-ups and further diluting the prestige or perceived strength of the Sun Belt in comparison to CUSA.

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:34 pm

Hopefully they continue their strategy of prioritizing media market proximity to program strength, fan base size ect. They took all the dead weight from the Sun Belt already (minus WKU, I would have liked to keep the Hill Toppers) maybe now they'll take Georgia State and leave the actual football playing to us small-market football schools in the Sun Belt.

6-2 head-to-head against CUSA last year. I expect the gap to widen as realignment continues. This is why I prefer the Sun Belt. The old hierarchy is dead.

Losing the Cajuns would hurt though.

skjellyfetti · Unread post by **skjellyfetti** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:40 pm

Gonzo wrote:They took all the dead weight from the Sun Belt already (minus WKU, I would have liked to keep the Hill Toppers

And MTSU.

GlassOnion · Unread post by **GlassOnion** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:03 pm

JMU may get a look from Cusa.

They would be a nice rival for ODU, are centrally located between Marshall, WKU and Charlotte, and ODU, already have a $32,000,000 athletic budget, and could easily complete their stadium, making it as nice as any in CUSA.

It wouldnt surprise me at all. CUSA could take them, and one of either Ark St, or ULL, and still leave the Sun Belt in a pretty pickle, having to add 3 schools, and having plucked the most desirable SB candidate.

firemoose · Unread post by **firemoose** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:34 pm

As far as this effecting us directly we actually have a better chance...tiny though it may be...of getting in because we are a move up. They have shown little to no interest in us when we were FCS and it's only marginally better with us already in the process. We have a better chance at the AAC with ECU still pushing than CUSA, if they are staying with the market driven philosophy they have been doing.

This is JMU's dream and why they were holding out. It will be a slap in the face to us if they get in because Harrisonburg isn't exactly a large TV market. If location and rivals were in play all the time then we should have got an invite first. If they go by their previous direction then Ark State and ULL would be more likely because they are already FBS but the big worry is the WKU is/was not a large TV market by any stretch and they took them. Shows a willingness to change. Anyway you cut it it's not good for us right now. In a few years things will change but this will just make it harder on us in the short term (5 years or so). Not exactly what we wanted to hear.

RankinApp · Unread post by **RankinApp** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:36 pm

But we just boarded the ship.

JTApps1 · Unread post by **JTApps1** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:16 pm

I have to believe CUSA will look west if they go to 16. The majority of their recent additions have been in the east so I would think the western schools (who at one time had all the power) will look to build closer to them. Even though they went for markets in the last round it is now clear that the TV money isn't there so I would imagine they'll go for the best programs available this time. Other than MTSU and WKU who are decent in football they added nothing but a bunch of historically bad teams and a few startups. ULL and Ark. State best fit all of needs mentioned above.

I'm just not sure what the best scenario is for us long term.

firemoose · Unread post by **firemoose** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:27 pm

JTApps1 wrote:I have to believe CUSA will look west if they go to 16. The majority of their recent additions have been in the east so I would think the western schools (who at one time had all the power) will look to build closer to them. Even though they went for markets in the last round it is now clear that the TV money isn't there so I would imagine they'll go for the best programs available this time. Other than MTSU and WKU who are decent in football they added nothing but a bunch of historically bad teams and a few startups. ULL and Ark. State best fit all of needs mentioned above.

I'm just not sure what the best scenario is for us long term.

I agree JT. Kind of stupid to go to 16 if you're going to unbalance the league. The western teams will be asking for closer teams to them if they do expand. My guess is that this was a shot across the bow to try and hold teams in place to give them options once they see who else the AAC might take.

As far as us long term no one in any lower conference will know anything until the big boys do what they are going to do. Once they settle it out among themselves then those of us left will make whatever moves we can to try and align regionally. It's going to happen. It's just a matter of when and how many moves are made. This is going to take a while. Hopefully it won't sting too much these first few years. We just need to concentrate on building our brand and becoming the best FBS program we can so that when the moves are made conferences will fight to bring us in instead of the other way around.

fjblair · Unread post by **fjblair** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:13 pm

We cannot catch a break in this cluster****. Just amazing. If the SB loses a couple more to CUSA then Liberty is probably a lock.

Somebody please explain why CUSA is so attractive to these SB teams. I know it's about money but how much are we talking about? Is the NCAA powerless in all this? Do they care? How is this good for college athletics? Relegating college athletics to nothing more than economics can't be in the best interest of the schools or the athletes, right?

appdaze · Unread post by **appdaze** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:32 pm

fjblair wrote:We cannot catch a break in this cluster****. Just amazing. If the SB loses a couple more to CUSA then Liberty is probably a lock.

Somebody please explain why CUSA is so attractive to these SB teams. I know it's about money but how much are we talking about? Is the NCAA powerless in all this? Do they care? How is this good for college athletics? Relegating college athletics to nothing more than economics can't be in the best interest of the schools or the athletes, right?

In all honesty what power does the NCAA truly have? Yes it was agreed upon to be some sort of overseer of college sports but it could just as easily be gotten rid of if the powers that be decide to go in another direction.

RankinApp · Unread post by **RankinApp** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:33 pm

fjblair wrote:We cannot catch a break in this cluster****. Just amazing.

UL and Arkansas State are probably the two best programs in the SB, not that that's saying a whole lot. Would be a serious blow to the conference, and one has to wonder if this ordeal has Cobb and Peacock shaking their heads. If JMU was somehow able to get an invite that would be a real punch in the gut. I know we're supposed to be telling ourselves the SB is better, but I'd much rather be playing the teams in C-USA than what we're going to be facing....

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:52 pm

It is interesting, but it is still just speculation. Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that the ACC was on the verge of imploding with The Big Ten offering UNC and Virginia an invite. I haven't heard anything else about it for awhile. If the Sun Belt offers Missouri St., that would probably satisfy Ark State and essentially keeping UL. If the theories of more regionalized conferences is in the future, then the Sun Belt is a best option over CUSA and even the new old Big East for now. My opinion.

bh2oson · Unread post by **bh2oson** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:03 pm

So if the Sun Belt loses stAte and Louisiana, what are the impacts to the bowl tie ins? Will the Sun Belt still have automatic bids in the future? When the Maryland case clears and the Big Ten takes 2 or 3 more and then the former big east takes 2 then CUSA takes 2 what will be left of the Belt? ...... deep breath..... I guess it will be impossible to ask for stability in what is perceived the lowest rung of the FBS ladder. It is going to be a long and bumpy ride for the next few years.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:05 pm

RankinApp wrote:
fjblair wrote:We cannot catch a break in this cluster****. Just amazing.
UL and Arkansas State are probably the two best programs in the SB, not that that's saying a whole lot. Would be a serious blow to the conference, and one has to wonder if this ordeal has Cobb and Peacock shaking their heads. If JMU was somehow able to get an invite that would be a real punch in the gut. I know we're supposed to be telling ourselves the SB is better, but I'd much rather be playing the teams in C-USA than what we're going to be facing....

We are going to be FBS lite....

HeffnerIV · Unread post by **HeffnerIV** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:08 pm

If we just play good football and win some conference titles, we'll get noticed and all will be okay. It's almost a case where we just worry about ourselves until we're in a more secure position.

Unread post by **appst89** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:12 pm

AppSt94 wrote:It is interesting, but it is still just speculation. Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that the ACC was on the verge of imploding with The Big Ten offering UNC and Virginia an invite. I haven't heard anything else about it for awhile. If the Sun Belt offers Missouri St., that would probably satisfy Ark State and essentially keeping UL. If the theories of more regionalized conferences is in the future, then the Sun Belt is a best option over CUSA and even the new old Big East for now. My opinion.

Heard a discussion about the Big 1? just today. Everything they want to do is on hold until the Maryland exit from the ACC is settled. If the ACC manages to enforce the $50 million exit fee, then nothing else is likely to happen. If Maryland gets out for significantly less than $50 million, then UNC and Virginia or Georgia Tech will be targets. It hasn't stopped, it's just on hold.

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