Perhaps Carolina isn't alone...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr- ... 53905.html

They do this every year, it is part of their job. I had a UNCCH fan (not alum) email this to me saying everyone does it.

I agree everyone does it to some to degree, but I can't recall anyone that did it for 18 years to the degree they have and all the while told the public they do it the right way.

Had a good friend who attended Wake Forest in the mid 80's. His older sister was there also at the time. Buddy told me that sister told him that she wrote papers for a popular basketball player. Of course in those days there was no internet so papers could not be cut and pasted. I was not stunned in the least when told this. I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school. I know lots of folks have fun with UNC CH's problems and don't like the "everyone does it" statement. More than likely, most everyone does do it and most everyone claims to do things right. I believed that things began to change with UNC when they seemed to make a stronger push for more marquee football players. Twitter helped to bring many ugly issues to light.

Looks like it started way before then...

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

Do individuals and some coaches cheat on academics at a lot of different schools? Yes. Does "everyone" create an entire department full of fake classes to ensure their players make grades? No.

BIG difference!

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

Of course everyone cuts corners, in one way or another. And not just athletes - the reality is that cheating isn't an athletics problem, it happens across all types of students, as multiple Ivy League cheating scandals in recent years demonstrate.

UNC's mistake was that their administrators naively believed their own PR to the point that they thought they could invite the NCAA to do a full cavity search and come out clean.

bigdaddyg wrote:

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

One person is talking about HS, one about college. I believe our football team had a higher college GPA than the general student body last year.

bigdaddyg wrote:

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

You are limiting your points to football and basketball. He was referencing all college athletes.

bigdaddyg wrote:

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

I believe his contention is that only a very small percentage of the total number of college athletes are football or basketball players at big dollar institutions. A vast majority of college athletes toil in relative obscurity at Olympic sports, or at DII or DIII institutions and that, of those, the majority are not marginal students. Looking at the GPAs for our Olympic sports, I would have to say I agree with his position.

If you can't get in as a student you should not get in. No excuses. EVERYONE cuts the corners for the sake of FB and BB. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Saint3333 wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

One person is talking about HS, one about college. I believe our football team had a higher college GPA than the general student body last year.

It helps that football players get to register first each semester, thus able to sometimes pick and choose their instructors and classes, not to mention many of them have academic counselors. I would wager that a higher percentage of athletes get to attend summer school than the rest of the student body at large.

bcoach wrote:If you can't get in as a student you should not get in. No excuses. EVERYONE cuts the corners for the sake of FB and BB. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

EXACTAMUNDO!

Saint3333 wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:

skjellyfetti wrote:

bigdaddyg wrote:I have always been of the opinion that a small percentage of college athletes could hack college academics. A great majority of athletes barely get though high school.

Perhaps that is close to accurate for big money sports at major universities.

But, a majority of college athletes are actually excellent students and don't deserved to be lumped in with the rest as "barely able to get through high school." That's no where near accurate. It's a tiny, tiny fraction of collegiate athletics overall.

We can agree to disagree. IMO your adjectives are backwards- majority are marginal. Perhaps "barely able to get through high school" could be worded differently. My wife has taught for years at a NC high school with a football program that annually contends for post-season titles. Sees first hand how many (not all) of the football players struggle with basic classes. If you contend that my theory is inaccurate show me some statistics to back up your assertion.

One person is talking about HS, one about college. I believe our football team had a higher college GPA than the general student body last year.

That is fantastic. We should be publicizing those numbers and holding them up as an example of doing things the right way. How can we find those numbers?