Their baseball and men's soccer programs. There's pictures (floating somewhere on the interweb) of the baseball team with the Towson insignia blacked out, with tape, in protest of the president's decision during this past weekend's series.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-0 ... -officials

I've read several articles regarding this - most believe that they are simply going to pump money into football and basketball.

And here I thought that you had to move up to FBS to drop sports. Sounds like it can happen at any level

If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

There are 79 D1 wrestling programs. There are 203 D1 men's soccer programs. There is a bit of difference in the support of those two programs at the D1 level.

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

AppGrad78 wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".

BeauFoster wrote:

AppGrad78 wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".

Yeah, I hate it when equality is the rule of the land.

BeauFoster wrote:

AppGrad78 wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".

and where would all athletic teams be without the student fees that women pay? When I hear that argument I have to laugh. Besides football what mens sport pays for it's self? What kind of action do you call that?

Do these religious schools that believe a woman's place is in the home, probably barefoot and pregnant constantly, have to abide by Title IX?
What about a Islamic college, if there is one in the U.S.?

What on earth schools would that be

GoApps70 wrote:Do these religious schools that believe a woman's place is in the home, probably barefoot and pregnant constantly, have to abide by Title IX?
What about a Islamic college, if there is one in the U.S.?

If they take any federal money then yes the rules apply. If they completely opt away from any federal money they can do as they please (within some rather broad limits. Bob Jones ran into this with their tax-exempt status and their views on mixing of races/admission of blacks) as far as the fed govt is concerned. If these schools take state money, and I bet many more do than federal money, the same rules would apply at the state level which I would hope at the state level would work to ensure a sense of equal access.

Here is one Islamic College
http://www.aicusa.edu/#sthash.uXbhesQG.6nq9toNt.dpbs

Buddist
http://www.naropa.edu/

Maharishi University used to be in Physics or at least tried to be big. I think their focus in more on business management now.
http://www.mum.edu/

Off to supper or I would post a few more.

AppGrad78 wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

I have two daughters so please don't try and play that card. I should have said what, not who, my mistake.

Like any good idea it has harmed people it did not intend to, but no changes are made to the rule nonetheless.

Saint3333 wrote:

AppGrad78 wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?

I have two daughters so please don't try and play that card. I should have said what, not who, my mistake.

Like any good idea it has harmed people it did not intend to, but no changes are made to the rule nonetheless.

You usually have a better response than this.

Division athletics has and is losing sports due to title IX, therefore there are athletes at high schools that don't have an opportunity to go to college and play their sport.

A better way to allocate scholarships would be to allow the corresponding women's sport for a men's sport to carry 115% of the number of scholarships much like basketball does. The school would also have to add a women's only sport and fund it at the same percentage they fund football.

The way it is structured now many div 1 universities have to choose between football and cutting two or three other men's sports. That was not the intention on the rule, but it the reality of it.

For the record I had NO shot at being a D1 athlete, and anyone that knows me knows I support all of our student athletes with my time and money.

Or another solution is to take the Ivy League approach and forgo athletic scholarships altogether. As harsh as that sounds, it makes sense from the standpoint that it returns college sports to their proper place within the university. When you step back and look at the number and dollars of athletic scholarships awarded, it seems out of kilter. It makes you wonder why so much emphasis is placed on athletics vs. other institutional programs. And in many cases it is the students themselves who are footing the bill for college sports through student activitiy fees. It would be interesting to measure academic scholarships vs. athletic scholarships granted at a given institution. I have now idea what this would look like, but would would venture to guess ASU gives out way more athletic scholarships than academic.

DoubleA wrote:Or another solution is to take the Ivy League approach and forgo athletic scholarships altogether. As harsh as that sounds, it makes sense from the standpoint that it returns college sports to their proper place within the university. When you step back and look at the number and dollars of athletic scholarships awarded, it seems out of kilter. It makes you wonder why so much emphasis is placed on athletics vs. other institutional programs. And in many cases it is the students themselves who are footing the bill for college sports through student activitiy fees. It would be interesting to measure academic scholarships vs. athletic scholarships granted at a given institution. I have now idea what this would look like, but would would venture to guess ASU gives out way more athletic scholarships than academic.

Do you think a 17,000 student university gives out fewer than 230 academic scholarships? Excuse me. Way fewer than 230 academic scholarships?

Not sure how many academic scholarships that are awarded by App but two weeks ago I participated in scholars weekend in which we invited over 250 students who interviewed for a variety of scholarships.

If our alumni gave back in a greater percentage we could offer many many more.

And just because the Ivy's don't award athletic grants in aid doesn't mean they and the other non-schollies don't provide financial assistance for their athletes.

Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.

Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.