Liberty next SBC addition?

[Gonzo]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

[bcoach]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

No actually it is nothing like it. I am not pulling funding. I am choosing not to go to a place where a bunch of kids who may or may not be drinking but certainly loaded with testosterone are running around with guns.
I know you think (at least for the last few days) that you know everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong but that just is not true. You really can be wrong. I promise.

[3rd]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

No actually it is nothing like it. I am not pulling funding. I am choosing not to go to a place where a bunch of kids who may or may not be drinking but certainly loaded with testosterone are running around with guns.
I know you think (at least for the last few days) that you know everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong but that just is not true. You really can be wrong. I promise.

Guess im not going to walmart anymore to many people without higher educations with guns, dang guess i can't go to Chicago again, guess i can't drive down 321 people may have guns in their cars

[3rd]

Wait isn't a thread already on here about suppressing college students rights as it regards to voting?, guess we should just move this over their since you want to suppress more rights

[ASUGoose]

My pecking order of the new addition to the SB would be as follows:

1. James Madison (seems very unlikely based on what all has been published)
2. Sam Houston State (I don't mind another TX school but not sure which west school would move to the East)
3. Richmond (I know they have no interest currently but they are solid in bball and football)
4. Delaware (No sure if it is a regional fit but who knows)
5. Liberty (last resort if the SB really wants a championship game in 2014, if not just wait it out another year and see where the chips fall)

[Gonzo]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

No actually it is nothing like it. I am not pulling funding. I am choosing not to go to a place where a bunch of kids who may or may not be drinking but certainly loaded with testosterone are running around with guns.
I know you think (at least for the last few days) that you know everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong but that just is not true. You really can be wrong. I promise.

Take it easy, big guy. That was just how it read. Thanks for clarifying.

As far as me thinking everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, you're correct. I'm pretty sure that is the definition of disagreement....

[HeffnerIV]

I guess I'm a little perplexed at why so many care about what administrators and students think at Liberty. I really only care what they do on Saturdays. I'm not in favor of their admission, but that's more because I, like a few others, don't feel like they've 'paid their dues'. Beyond that, we act like we've been in the Sunbelt for years and have some right to have an opinion. It's strikingly arrogant.

I'd bet that most of you would have no problem associating with the U of Chicago, Northwestern or Columbia, who all have convicted terrorists/murderers on their faculty. Yet society considers them to be prestigious universities? Who are the crazies?

It's amazing how history repeats itself.

[bcoach]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

No actually it is nothing like it. I am not pulling funding. I am choosing not to go to a place where a bunch of kids who may or may not be drinking but certainly loaded with testosterone are running around with guns.
I know you think (at least for the last few days) that you know everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong but that just is not true. You really can be wrong. I promise.

Guess im not going to walmart anymore to many people without higher educations with guns, dang guess i can't go to Chicago again, guess i can't drive down 321 people may have guns in their cars

You can do whatever you want to do but I would be willing to bet that Wal-Mart and Chicago will not miss you.

[RankinApp]

My pecking order of the new addition to the SB would be as follows:

1. James Madison (seems very unlikely based on what all has been published)
2. Sam Houston State (I don't mind another TX school but not sure which west school would move to the East)
3. Richmond (I know they have no interest currently but they are solid in bball and football)
4. Delaware (No sure if it is a regional fit but who knows)
5. Liberty (last resort if the SB really wants a championship game in 2014, if not just wait it out another year and see where the chips fall)

1. Yes please.
2. Sam Houston State has had two good years of football losing to NDSU in the championship game. That's been the peak for football. Beyond that the entire athletic program is an afterthought. No thanks.
3. We're leaving a conference filled with small private schools playing in small stadiums and you want to add one to our new conference? Richmond will never build a stadium to satisfy FBS demands. Not happening. They're happy pulling in 8K a game. No Thanks.
4. Delaware is plagued by aging facilities and a president and athletic director who appear out to lunch. Long time (football) fans have been alienated and their attendance and season ticket numbers have been plummeting. I don't see Delaware ever "sinking" to the level of accepting a Sun Belt invite. No Thanks.
5.

[bcoach]

Well you may be going there but not me

Well that certainly raises your credibility

This is just as bad as the people threatening to pull their funding because they didn't get their way with the FCS/FBS thing.

No actually it is nothing like it. I am not pulling funding. I am choosing not to go to a place where a bunch of kids who may or may not be drinking but certainly loaded with testosterone are running around with guns.
I know you think (at least for the last few days) that you know everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong but that just is not true. You really can be wrong. I promise.

Take it easy, big guy. That was just how it read. Thanks for clarifying.

As far as me thinking everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, you're correct. I'm pretty sure that is the definition of disagreement....

Yea but you are a smart guy and you know the difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable. There is a difference between saying I disagree and saying you are wrong. Unlike another guy in this thread you got your monies worth out of your APP education. Smile, be happy, and just disagree in a more agreeable way.

[Gonzo]

Yea but you are a smart guy and you know the difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable. There is a difference between saying I disagree and saying you are wrong. Unlike another guy in this thread you got your monies worth out of your APP education. Smile, be happy, and just disagree in a more agreeable way.

Fair enough, man.

I don't usually have any qualms with telling it like it is, hurting feelings or just generally crushing people rhetorically, but I will make an exception for you.

[appst89]

My list of potential Sun Belt additions: All sports only, no partial memberships

1) James Madison
2) Missouri St.
3) Florida Gulf Coast (have talked about starting football)
4) North Florida (ditto)
5) Jacksonville St.
6) Sam Houston St.
7) Ashmore Business College
8) Pete's School of Taxidermy, Cosmetology and Meat Packing
9) Liberty

[goapps93]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

[ASUPATCH]

My list of potential Sun Belt additions: All sports only, no partial memberships

1) James Madison
2) Missouri St.
3) Florida Gulf Coast (have talked about starting football)
4) North Florida (ditto)
5) Jacksonville St.
6) Sam Houston St.
7) Ashmore Business College
8) Pete's School of Taxidermy, Cosmetology and Meat Packing
9) Liberty

Agree with this list especially number 9. Would you have considered FGC 2 weeks ago? Probably not and more than likely anyone suggesting the name would have been laughed off the site. What I'm saying is two tourney wins and losing your coach enough to warrant FBS? I am from FL and have most of my family in FL and neither UNF or FCG have any following at all.

My List
1. JMU - Great public school, great stadium, strong fan base, successful in football.
2. ETSU - Good basketball, getting football back, tri city media market, good academics, large public school, proximity to Boone.
3. Jax St. - Dead in the center of the sunbelt universe, public school, 25k stadium.
4. Coastal - Good travel partner for the GSU's and App, growing public school, stadium and fanbase needs to expand.
5. Delaware - Not in the SBC footprint, don't seem to have any interest in doing anything. But have the stadium(albeit old) and fans to support the move. Philly media market?






78. Liberty - Private, trying to buy their way in with facilities. Controversial history. Have accomplished nothing in the NCAA's premier sport of football. Called the flames. Need I go on?

[appst89]

My list of potential Sun Belt additions: All sports only, no partial memberships

1) James Madison
2) Missouri St.
3) Florida Gulf Coast (have talked about starting football)
4) North Florida (ditto)
5) Jacksonville St.
6) Sam Houston St.
7) Ashmore Business College
8) Pete's School of Taxidermy, Cosmetology and Meat Packing
9) Liberty

Agree with this list especially number 9. Would you have considered FGC 2 weeks ago? Probably not and more than likely anyone suggesting the name would have been laughed off the site. What I'm saying is two tourney wins and losing your coach enough to warrant FBS? I am from FL and have most of my family in FL and neither UNF or FCG have any following at all.

My List
1. JMU - Great public school, great stadium, strong fan base, successful in football.
2. ETSU - Good basketball, getting football back, tri city media market, good academics, large public school, proximity to Boone.
3. Jax St. - Dead in the center of the sunbelt universe, public school, 25k stadium.
4. Coastal - Good travel partner for the GSU's and App, growing public school, stadium and fanbase needs to expand.
5. Delaware - Not in the SBC footprint, don't seem to have any interest in doing anything. But have the stadium(albeit old) and fans to support the move. Philly media market?






78. Liberty - Private, trying to buy their way in with facilities. Controversial history. Have accomplished nothing in the NCAA's premier sport of football. Called the flames. Need I go on?

I actually thought about the Florida schools from the beginning because the Sun Belt lost the F_U's and might want to re-establish that as part of their footprint. FGCU and UNF were the only ones that fit.

[ASUPATCH]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

Bcoach did exaggerate with 6000 gun toting students. Although approximately half of the student body would be 21+. Most students turn 21 during their JR year and many students take more than 4 years to graduate which would sway that number higher.The issue isn't that it is allowed to me but they seem to be promoting the idea and wanting as many to CCW as humanly possible. It is creating a very hostile environment where they want the world to know that they are the gun toting university of the South. They essentially are hoping something happens and they can shoot a bad guy dead and say look at us look at us.It has nothing to do with the kids safety and is clearly a political ploy by Falwell Jr. that I seriously hope doesn't backfire.

[HeffnerIV]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

Bcoach did exaggerate with 6000 gun toting students. Although approximately half of the student body would be 21+. Most students turn 21 during their JR year and many students take more than 4 years to graduate which would sway that number higher.The issue isn't that it is allowed to me but they seem to be promoting the idea and wanting as many to CCW as humanly possible. It is creating a very hostile environment where they want the world to know that they are the gun toting university of the South. They essentially are hoping something happens and they can shoot a bad guy dead and say look at us look at us.It has nothing to do with the kids safety and is clearly a political ploy by Falwell Jr. that I seriously hope doesn't backfire.

Where do you think adults should be 'allowed' to carry weapons?

[ASUPATCH]

My list of potential Sun Belt additions: All sports only, no partial memberships

1) James Madison
2) Missouri St.
3) Florida Gulf Coast (have talked about starting football)
4) North Florida (ditto)
5) Jacksonville St.
6) Sam Houston St.
7) Ashmore Business College
8) Pete's School of Taxidermy, Cosmetology and Meat Packing
9) Liberty

Agree with this list especially number 9. Would you have considered FGC 2 weeks ago? Probably not and more than likely anyone suggesting the name would have been laughed off the site. What I'm saying is two tourney wins and losing your coach enough to warrant FBS? I am from FL and have most of my family in FL and neither UNF or FCG have any following at all.

My List
1. JMU - Great public school, great stadium, strong fan base, successful in football.
2. ETSU - Good basketball, getting football back, tri city media market, good academics, large public school, proximity to Boone.
3. Jax St. - Dead in the center of the sunbelt universe, public school, 25k stadium.
4. Coastal - Good travel partner for the GSU's and App, growing public school, stadium and fanbase needs to expand.
5. Delaware - Not in the SBC footprint, don't seem to have any interest in doing anything. But have the stadium(albeit old) and fans to support the move. Philly media market?






78. Liberty - Private, trying to buy their way in with facilities. Controversial history. Have accomplished nothing in the NCAA's premier sport of football. Called the flames. Need I go on?

I actually thought about the Florida schools from the beginning because the Sun Belt lost the F_U's and might want to re-establish that as part of their footprint. FGCU and UNF were the only ones that fit.

I would love a team in FL for family and personal reasons. I was pissed when FIU and FAU left as I have aunts and uncles and grandparents with 30 mins of each that we could have stayed with. But FGC and UNF are no where near ready......especially FGC. UNF has been around much longer and has a much larger Alumni base and larger student body. UNF also has a very intriguing media market in Jacksonville. It is essentially untapped as it is torn between FSU UF and UGA. But would they support UNF when they don't even care about the Jaguars?

[ASUPATCH]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

Bcoach did exaggerate with 6000 gun toting students. Although approximately half of the student body would be 21+. Most students turn 21 during their JR year and many students take more than 4 years to graduate which would sway that number higher.The issue isn't that it is allowed to me but they seem to be promoting the idea and wanting as many to CCW as humanly possible. It is creating a very hostile environment where they want the world to know that they are the gun toting university of the South. They essentially are hoping something happens and they can shoot a bad guy dead and say look at us look at us.It has nothing to do with the kids safety and is clearly a political ploy by Falwell Jr. that I seriously hope doesn't backfire.

Where do you think adults should be 'allowed' to carry weapons?

Not on a school campus where half can carry and the other half cant. How can a 18 year old freshmen defend himself against a compact 45 carried by a junior that happens to be 21? Arguments and fights do occur on college campuses. Not sure adding guns to the equation solves anything.

[HeffnerIV]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

Bcoach did exaggerate with 6000 gun toting students. Although approximately half of the student body would be 21+. Most students turn 21 during their JR year and many students take more than 4 years to graduate which would sway that number higher.The issue isn't that it is allowed to me but they seem to be promoting the idea and wanting as many to CCW as humanly possible. It is creating a very hostile environment where they want the world to know that they are the gun toting university of the South. They essentially are hoping something happens and they can shoot a bad guy dead and say look at us look at us.It has nothing to do with the kids safety and is clearly a political ploy by Falwell Jr. that I seriously hope doesn't backfire.

Where do you think adults should be 'allowed' to carry weapons?

Not on a school campus where half can carry and the other half cant. How can a 18 year old freshmen defend himself against a compact 45 carried by a junior that happens to be 21? Arguments and fights do occur on college campuses. Not sure adding guns to the equation solves anything.

Great point! If we consider 18yo's adults, then they should be allowed to carry under the concealed law.