Liberty next SBC addition?

[WataugaMan]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

Just so you are aware, one of the most "anti-gay" groups of today are African Americans. The "Southern Christians" are not the only group that have this "age-old hatred" you speak of.

[fjblair]

My fear is that adding LIberty to the SBC may harden the already sizable opposition to the move to the SBC within the ASU community. It is louder and more pronounced than some may believe.

In order for us to make it at the FBS level, we will need to see an increase in fund raising. Folks are going to have reach down and give some more and hopefully we find some new contributors that want to be a part of this move. I do worry that some folks will choose to reduce their giving or withdraw altogether. I'm not sure Liberty helps us on that front.

If we jump in the sack with Liberty, I'm done with giving to athletics. I will redirect to academics.

That is certainly your choice, but it reeks of ego and shortsightedness. Please keep in mind that we are not "jumping in the sack with Liberty." Liberty would be "jumping in the sack" with us. You may see that as semantics, but at least it is accurate. We don't know if the SBC will add Liberty, and I'm not convinced that Liberty is #2 on the list as many say.

My post was a little knee jerk-ish but nothing to do with ego or shortsightedness. Liberty brings nothing to the table, they don't fit in any way with the other members at all. I think it would be extremely shortsighted for the SB to invite Liberty.

[fjblair]

Yea 1 kid at VT how many murders happen other places not at college? Yea i understand people are scared to others having guns but to be honest when i walk across Appalachian what is to stop someone coming on this campus? The 2 ASU rent a cops? oh yea gosh i feel better already

Your point is totally valid but ASU has a trained police force and they are most certainly not "rent a cops" type security guards. We have a fully trained state certified police force.

[fjblair]

My pecking order of the new addition to the SB would be as follows:

1. James Madison (seems very unlikely based on what all has been published)
2. Sam Houston State (I don't mind another TX school but not sure which west school would move to the East)
3. Richmond (I know they have no interest currently but they are solid in bball and football)
4. Delaware (No sure if it is a regional fit but who knows)
5. Liberty (last resort if the SB really wants a championship game in 2014, if not just wait it out another year and see where the chips fall)

Richmond is just the type of school we are trying to move away from. Very small and private. It's a great school but not for the Sun Belt or ASU.

[asu66]

This thread has long since "gone off the reservation." If anyone should know better than to quote the JMU boards (no Duke Dawg decision could be made before at least September) as gospel, it should be App fans who majored in quoting anonymous message board realignment news for two years only to learn it was 99.9 percent hogwash.

According to Karl Benson's early in the week interview in a Lafayette, LA newspaper and website, Liberty is far, far (his words) from the top of the SBC list to replace WKU. The Flames are in it in name only!

UR's brand-new on-campus football stadium seats a whopping 8,700. The Spiders aren't in it, period!

[asutrnr81]

Please God get this thread back on target.....and leave this political mess somewhere else on this board that I do not visit!

[fjblair]

bcoach,
A few things. In order to qualify for a concealed carry permit in Virginia one must be 21 years of age. Most college students are under 21. Most concealed carry laws restrict the carrying of the weapon when consuming alcohol. I also think you're being a bit liberal in your assumption that 6000 students will be carrying firearms on campus or at a game. I really think you're getting a bit carried away but that is your prerogative. Like others have mentioned you should really be careful where you go because at any given time in a large group you could be around people who are carrying concealed weapons, some of them responsible, some not. Having said that though I don't believe there are very many people who carry concealed weapons and just because Liberty will allow it doesn't mean that thousands of students are going to go out and purchase handguns and ccw permits.

Thank you. Some of the drama on this issue is just ridiculous.

[1ASU78]

Guess my life was in danger at the Va Tech game. Yea that Tea Party bunch is one scary crowd. Middle aged, gainfully employed, respectful tax paying citizens with no police records, that refrained from using profanity or making threats who cleaned up after their peaceful assembly. They are far more dangerous than that Occupy crowd of mainly out of work slackers - many bankrolled by unions to participate - who drank heavily, used any available space for a restroom, trashed city parks and streets and threatened anyone who questioned them. You seriously need to broaden your scope of information outside Rachel Madcow and the other kooks on MSNBC.

It's perfectly fine if you don't like Liberty, but I don't understand the to constantly bash conservatives and Christianity.

Sorry but I thought the Tea Party was the bunch that stomp defenseless women and and mocked Parkinson's Victims and forwards racial images of a US President. I would have a hard time calling them respectful or Christian, because I've never seen a Christ like action from any of them. Also they didn't have to sleep in parks and etc because they were funded by billionaires and Fox News. But then you'd never know that watching Glenn, Rush, Bill or the other Infotainers pretending to be new people. BTW, they are mostly middle age+ (and white) but I'm not sure how we know they don't have police records?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opini ... .html?_r=0

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... howing.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... e-1.193049

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/1 ... 04183.html

some real middle of the road publications. Just trying to put a story out there in a fair way.

[ASUMountaineer]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

Just so you are aware, one of the most "anti-gay" groups of today are African Americans. The "Southern Christians" are not the only group that have this "age-old hatred" you speak of.

I just want to point out that the post WataugaMan was replying to was not mine. Not sure what happened with the quote feature there...

[WataugaMan]

No, it was your post, you're a trouble maker and you know it.

Anyway, not directing this to anyone in general - It appears many individuals want to point out bigotry in one certain group and ignoring that many other groups possess the same traits. Not all "Christian believing" people are bigots, believe it or not. I guess one could classify me as a "Southern Christian", however, I'm not a bigot. I might have a drink or two, and get a little "crazy" now and then. But, that's about it. That's all, no big deal, carry on.

[Kgfish]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

I love how the zealots love to blame slavery and racism on the Old South and Southern Christians in particular and give the north a pass. Truth is the overwhelming majority of slaves were brought to the US by ships owned and operated by northern industrialists. The others by European trading companies. Not one slave can be traced to being brought here on a ship under the flag of a Southern state. It is taught slavery had been abolished throughout New England by 1804, but the 1800 census shows 1,488 slaves still in New England. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia, in Rhode Island, in Boston taverns and warehouses and sometimes daily in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. While the North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, it had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy. Why are the African tribal leaders who raided other villages and sold their captives to these "traders" are never held accountable for any wrongdoing? These ship captains did not put to shore and send people into the jungle to rounding up these people. They were already enslaved by their own countrymen. For some reason these parts of history are always ignored in the discussion.

[vegattk]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

I love how the zealots love to blame slavery and racism on the Old South and Southern Christians in particular and give the north a pass. Truth is the overwhelming majority of slaves were brought to the US by ships owned and operated by northern industrialists. The others by European trading companies. Not one slave can be traced to being brought here on a ship under the flag of a Southern state. It is taught slavery had been abolished throughout New England by 1804, but the 1800 census shows 1,488 slaves still in New England. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia, in Rhode Island, in Boston taverns and warehouses and sometimes daily in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. While the North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, it had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy. Why are the African tribal leaders who raided other villages and sold their captives to these "traders" are never held accountable for any wrongdoing? These ship captains did not put to shore and send people into the jungle to rounding up these people. They were already enslaved by their own countrymen. For some reason these parts of history are always ignored in the discussion.

One thing no one talks about is a major reason the North went after the Southern Slavery states.... They were losing industry to the South. Businesses were moving southward because of the "cheap" labor. Unemployment was rising in the North and they were scrambling to do something about it... Hence the War of Northern Aggression...

[Gonzo]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

I love how the zealots love to blame slavery and racism on the Old South and Southern Christians in particular and give the north a pass. Truth is the overwhelming majority of slaves were brought to the US by ships owned and operated by northern industrialists. The others by European trading companies. Not one slave can be traced to being brought here on a ship under the flag of a Southern state. It is taught slavery had been abolished throughout New England by 1804, but the 1800 census shows 1,488 slaves still in New England. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia, in Rhode Island, in Boston taverns and warehouses and sometimes daily in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. While the North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, it had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy. Why are the African tribal leaders who raided other villages and sold their captives to these "traders" are never held accountable for any wrongdoing? These ship captains did not put to shore and send people into the jungle to rounding up these people. They were already enslaved by their own countrymen. For some reason these parts of history are always ignored in the discussion.

I never mentioned slavery, I was merely referring to the culture of hate that characterized the American south well into the twentieth century. I'm actually quite the Civil War buff.

What I am attempting to do is draw what I believe to be an easy connection between this:



And this:

[WataugaMan]

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/Marc ... iage-Bill/

Does this count? Or, is it always one group in particular ("Southern Cristians") that need to be pointed out as being bigots?

[Gonzo]

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/Marc ... iage-Bill/

Does this count? Or, is it always one group in particular ("Southern Cristians") that need to be pointed out as being bigots?

I think religious affiliation has more to do with it than region and the religious nature of the South gives us the bad rap we have with regard to racism, prejudice and just general hatred and ignorance. "Clergy" is the key word in that headline.

[StumpyCulbreath]

Give it up, Gonzo. You're no match for the Wikipedia historian.

[Gonzo]

Give it up, Gonzo. You're no match for the Wikipedia historian.

The hardest thing about arguing with religious folks is that they have eternal hell fire to motivate them. I'm just trying to avoid working...

[firemoose]

Give it up, Gonzo. You're no match for the Wikipedia historian.

The hardest thing about arguing with religious folks is that they have eternal hell fire to motivate them. I'm just trying to avoid working...

And you've been doing a fine job of it...if I do say so myself...

[Kgfish]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

I love how the zealots love to blame slavery and racism on the Old South and Southern Christians in particular and give the north a pass. Truth is the overwhelming majority of slaves were brought to the US by ships owned and operated by northern industrialists. The others by European trading companies. Not one slave can be traced to being brought here on a ship under the flag of a Southern state. It is taught slavery had been abolished throughout New England by 1804, but the 1800 census shows 1,488 slaves still in New England. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia, in Rhode Island, in Boston taverns and warehouses and sometimes daily in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. While the North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, it had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy. Why are the African tribal leaders who raided other villages and sold their captives to these "traders" are never held accountable for any wrongdoing? These ship captains did not put to shore and send people into the jungle to rounding up these people. They were already enslaved by their own countrymen. For some reason these parts of history are always ignored in the discussion.

One thing no one talks about is a major reason the North went after the Southern Slavery states.... They were losing industry to the South. Businesses were moving southward because of the "cheap" labor. Unemployment was rising in the North and they were scrambling to do something about it... Hence the War of Northern Aggression...

The War of Northern Aggression never was about slavery as an institution. Lincoln used the abolitionists, which were far from the prevailing line of thought in the north, to stir up those influential enough to help him get funding for his tax war.

[Kgfish]

Tolerance seems OK only if it agrees with your personal views.

Do you realize that what most of these people are intolerant of is intolerance.

The same culture (Southern Christians) that oppressed black people for 200 years is oppressing homosexuals today. No amount of martyrdom will provide a moral high ground for Liberty U, a exemplification of that same age-old hatred and INTOLERANCE.

I love how the zealots love to blame slavery and racism on the Old South and Southern Christians in particular and give the north a pass. Truth is the overwhelming majority of slaves were brought to the US by ships owned and operated by northern industrialists. The others by European trading companies. Not one slave can be traced to being brought here on a ship under the flag of a Southern state. It is taught slavery had been abolished throughout New England by 1804, but the 1800 census shows 1,488 slaves still in New England. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia, in Rhode Island, in Boston taverns and warehouses and sometimes daily in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. While the North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, it had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy. Why are the African tribal leaders who raided other villages and sold their captives to these "traders" are never held accountable for any wrongdoing? These ship captains did not put to shore and send people into the jungle to rounding up these people. They were already enslaved by their own countrymen. For some reason these parts of history are always ignored in the discussion.

I never mentioned slavery, I was merely referring to the culture of hate that characterized the American south well into the twentieth century. I'm actually quite the Civil War buff.

What I am attempting to do is draw what I believe to be an easy connection between this:



And this:

A comparison of mostly Democrats who fought against integration to mostly Tea Party Conservatives who are against homosexual marriage is quite a reach. BTW, any true "buff" in the South does not to refer to that as The Civil War.