UNCC sees recruiting boost

[JTApps1]

[quote="bcoach]
It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

Never realized one's opinion was grounds to be fired. She did what she was required and was paid for her services. Her opinion is her opinion. In many ways UNCC is an overgrown community college. They have some excellent professional programs but for the most part anybody with a pulse can get accepted.

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

I'm sure you have never once had anything negative to say about your employer.

[JTApps1]

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.

Good thing professors at ASU never complain about the university.

I would be very surprised and disappointed if they said what she said IF she said it. If you are ashamed of the product your company produces you need to either leave or work to improve it. It is very simple to sit back and criticize. It takes someone with a backbone and an appreciation for what they have been given to do the right thing. It takes someone with no appreciation for the opportunity they have been given to sit back and criticize and do nothing to improve the product. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. It makes me very sad that she did not learn that while at ASU. That is IF she really did say what she was quoted as saying.

IF??? Why would I have any reason to make this up?

Some people questioned their academics and I had a story to shed some light on it from a fellow Mountaineer who could compare the two schools. She was just being honest about the standards for their core courses.

[JCline0429]

[quote="bcoach]
It also means she should be fired for the comments she makes about her employer or at the very least have the balls not to cah her paycheck.

You can't be serious...

Do you have some sort of connection to UNCC?

I have never seen UNCC. If you can't see the problem there then I probably can't explain it to you.

Never realized one's opinion was grounds to be fired. She did what she was required and was paid for her services. Her opinion is her opinion. In many ways UNCC is an overgrown community college. They have some excellent professional programs but for the most part anybody with a pulse can get accepted.

It also looks like anyone with a pulse can teach there. If she feels the need to talk about her employer that way she should not be cashing his check. She should go somewhere else and then expound on her theory. Of course she may be too lazy or unqualified to go elswhere. My point is, be loyal to your employer or leave. OR If you really want to be someone who offers value rather than just cashing a check you could shut your mouth and work to improve the quality of the program.

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I'm sure you have never once had anything negative to say about your employer.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

I posted this comment a few minutes ago, but it disappeared. The jist of it was that in my adult life, I have never made an uncomplimentary comment about a supervisor except in private behind closed doors. I learned my lesson when I was 15 1/2 from boasting to a fellow employee about a raise I had just gotten. It got back to the boss and I promptly lost that raise.
Note, bbcoach needs no backing as he handles himself quite well on here.

[ASUMountaineer]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

I'm sure you do. Thanks for your interest in App State sports.

[ASUPATCH]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

[ASUPATCH]

Feel free to resume your position on the Acdemic Totem pole. Just above WCU and just BELOW ECU!!!!!

http://moodle.fcschools.net/pluginfile. ... _Score.pdf

[NWA49]

Ya'll are some funny people.

[Gonzo]

Ya'll are some funny people.

You registered a user name on the MMB only to indicate that you have no real response? Must be a dull day over in Harrisburg.

[MountainMan]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

Don't want to sound anti-App, but this is a pretty weak argument. Where do our App grads get jobs? Mostly in Charlotte, Raleigh, etc. -- it's sure not Boone and Morganton. So are you saying we take much smarter students and do something to them so they don't get as good of jobs; and UNCC takes anyone with a pulse but somehow the get their grads into better paying jobs 4 years later? It takes a lot more than comparing JUST GPAs or SATs or Salaries or number of students or any other one or two measures to suggest that any one school is better than any other school.

The arguments on here have gotten pretty juvenile and lacking in logic or relevant facts. ASU is a GREAT school, but it's a huge fallacy to be so biased as to think that UNCC is no good at all. That's just not realistic. It's a very good school and getting better. If we will concentrate on supporting and promoting ASU without having to try to tear down other places, IMO we will BE a lot better off and will LOOK a lot less paranoid.

[NWA49]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

And I am sure YOU know that SAT and GPA admission standards are directly correlated to the schools growth pattern. As Charlotte continues to expand to meet it's goals it is reflected in admissions.

Honestly I don't understand the bickering. App is a fine school in a great location. Charlotte is a fine school in a big city. To each their own. App is happy with their relative size, Charlotte isn't. That is being played out currently. As popularity in App continues to grow I suspect your admission standards will continue to increase - which is a great thing for App and reflects well on your school. In Charlotte our administration and the BOG has decided that we need to achieve a certain size (35,000 or so) to be the institution the state needs us to be in this market. This makes sense given the population base of Charlotte, the various programs offered and the need to continue to establish a certain % of state funding. It isn't rocket science.

In the end though I just don't understand the hatred towards a school different than the one you attended. I've been to Boone, my wife grew up there. I have a ton of friends that went there. Great school for the people who want that. I also have friends and family that went to Charlotte as well as myself. Great school for the people who want that. What is so wrong with seeing things through that lens?

And finally on the topic of the thread. We kick off in August. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. In the past 4 years I have dropped over 5K for 49er Athletics - that's FSLs, football tickets, basketball tickets and club donations. Far more than I was willing to donate before we had football and there are plenty of other alums just like me. This sport will have a huge impact on the area and the fan base. I am sure that as a football first school you all understand that - it isn't like most of your fan base loves App basketball. Charlotte and the surrounding area has a ton of talent and being FBS certainly helps us. The CUSA connection will also open some doors for us from a recruiting stand point that were closed before. I am sure we will run into App on the recruiting trail plenty and I suspect that each school will win their fair share.

OK So go ahead and go back your your penis measuring on scores and such and I am sure some more uniformed and stereotypical comments.

[ASUPATCH]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

Don't want to sound anti-App, but this is a pretty weak argument. Where do our App grads get jobs? Mostly in Charlotte, Raleigh, etc. -- it's sure not Boone and Morganton. So are you saying we take much smarter students and do something to them so they don't get as good of jobs; and UNCC takes anyone with a pulse but somehow the get their grads into better paying jobs 4 years later? It takes a lot more than comparing JUST GPAs or SATs or Salaries or number of students or any other one or two measures to suggest that any one school is better than any other school.

The arguments on here have gotten pretty juvenile and lacking in logic or relevant facts. ASU is a GREAT school, but it's a huge fallacy to be so biased as to think that UNCC is no good at all. That's just not realistic. It's a very good school and getting better. If we will concentrate on supporting and promoting ASU without having to try to tear down other places, IMO we will BE a lot better off and will LOOK a lot less paranoid.

Do App grad take jobs in Charlotte and Raleigh? Of course. But for comparison a far greater % of our graduates live in rural parts of NC. In Places like Wilkes Caldwell Catawba Alexander McDowell we far exceed the number of grads even though they are just as close to UNCC. Said counties have salaries that are far lower than Mecklenburgs. I also stated they have many more graduate programs. When you earn a masters your earning potential automatically goes up. We are also in a growing phase as well. But unlike UNCC we havent loweed our acceptance standards and rather they have gone up.

[3rd]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

And I am sure YOU know that SAT and GPA admission standards are directly correlated to the schools growth pattern. As Charlotte continues to expand to meet it's goals it is reflected in admissions.

Honestly I don't understand the bickering. App is a fine school in a great location. Charlotte is a fine school in a big city. To each their own. App is happy with their relative size, Charlotte isn't. That is being played out currently. As popularity in App continues to grow I suspect your admission standards will continue to increase - which is a great thing for App and reflects well on your school. In Charlotte our administration and the BOG has decided that we need to achieve a certain size (35,000 or so) to be the institution the state needs us to be in this market. This makes sense given the population base of Charlotte, the various programs offered and the need to continue to establish a certain % of state funding. It isn't rocket science.

In the end though I just don't understand the hatred towards a school different than the one you attended. I've been to Boone, my wife grew up there. I have a ton of friends that went there. Great school for the people who want that. I also have friends and family that went to Charlotte as well as myself. Great school for the people who want that. What is so wrong with seeing things through that lens?

And finally on the topic of the thread. We kick off in August. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. In the past 4 years I have dropped over 5K for 49er Athletics - that's FSLs, football tickets, basketball tickets and club donations. Far more than I was willing to donate before we had football and there are plenty of other alums just like me. This sport will have a huge impact on the area and the fan base. I am sure that as a football first school you all understand that - it isn't like most of your fan base loves App basketball. Charlotte and the surrounding area has a ton of talent and being FBS certainly helps us. The CUSA connection will also open some doors for us from a recruiting stand point that were closed before. I am sure we will run into App on the recruiting trail plenty and I suspect that each school will win their fair share.

i understand where your coming from...but even as big as Charlotte is i hope yall win quickly to keep a fan base im some what worried about yall winning because of the move up so fast and no established program, i say this bc i look at the panthers and see that no one shows up even for a decent team also the bobcats only show up when they win and i understand this is everywhere i just hope yall program wont fall into the black hole that thos teams have, i also hope yall do well because i want to see Western NC have an extramural good rivalry

[JCline0429]

One difference in ASU vs UNC-C as well as ECU, we at App, instead of constantly increasing our enrollment, we tighten our admission standards.

[NWA49]

i understand where your coming from...but even as big as Charlotte is i hope yall win quickly to keep a fan base im some what worried about yall winning because of the move up so fast and no established program, i say this bc i look at the panthers and see that no one shows up even for a decent team also the bobcats only show up when they win and i understand this is everywhere i just hope yall program wont fall into the black hole that thos teams have, i also hope yall do well because i want to see Western NC have an extramural good rivalry

Agree 100% - Charlotte as a town typically loves winners. With that said we have stayed in the top 75 or 100 in basketball attendance the past 15-20 years and that includes some really bad - like historically bad - basketball teams the last 5-7 years. So there is the community and the core base of the fans.

So obviously there is a concern there, but our core turns out even for bad basketball. I think we all know that football is a much bigger event than basketball so I am hopeful that we can weather any downturns. I am confident that our alumni will turn out. We each had to pay $1000 for a license just to buy a ticket and if you don't then you lose the license. That was a pretty steep price for a program that has never played a down - so the people that went in for that I think will show up. Now the students, for me that is the unknown. A NCAA study said that on average a school can expect roughly 1/3 of their student body to want to attend the football game. So if that holds true then the 7500 or so seats reserved for students should be full.... SHOULD being the key word there. I can say the buzz is huge on campus - so honestly if we deliver a solid gameday experience (not the on the field part) I think we will be fine. Until the kickoff happens though it is a bunch of unknown.

[ASUPATCH]

One difference in ASU vs UNC-C as well as ECU, we at App, instead of constantly increasing our enrollment, we tighten our admission standards.

I cant believe JCline and I agree on something and I just gave him a rep point. Im going to go buy a lotto ticket today. Not only do we increase our standards we are also growing(though not at the rates of the other two). Two pronged attack.

[Gonzo]

So if that holds true then the 7500 or so seats reserved for students should be full.... SHOULD being the key word there.

.....good luck with that.

Photo of the UNCC student section from this season, a very very good season:




UNCC is a glorified community college. I'm not talking about the degree, I'm talking about the experience. You drive to school and you drive home, just like you would if you were after an AD from CPCC. There is nothing about UNCC that even remotely resembles a college atmosphere and that is why their students and alumni are so transient. No bars, no cool stores selling Charlotte gear, nothing but strip malls and franchises that you'd find just about anywhere else in the Charlotte area.

The football team and light rail should do wonders to help the culture but UNCC has absolutely no hope of establishing a large fanbase without building a decent culture, waiting for students that went to school in the culture to graduate and building from there. Their BBall average puts ours to shame of course, but this is their marquee sport, they're in the hunt for the championship of a VERY good bball conference, and they still can't draw 5,000 to the game. Why the hell would it be any different for football when they'll be playing and likely losing to FCS teams? These are team UNCC fans have never heard of, or in the case of the very obnoxious message board UNCC fans, have scoffed as inferior from the onset of their football endeavor. I just don't understand the unfounded optimism and arrogance of some of their delusional fanbase that I read on AGS, Appfan and CSNBBS. These people are thoroughly convinced that UNCC has left App State in the dust athletically, a school that owes its new conference membership to location alone. As if conference affiliation necessarily gives programs an edge anyway. Is Vandy a better program than Ohio State because the SEC>the Big 10?

[EpicNiner]

So if that holds true then the 7500 or so seats reserved for students should be full.... SHOULD being the key word there.

.....good luck with that.

Photo of the UNCC student section from this season, a very very good season:




UNCC is a glorified community college. I'm not talking about the degree, I'm talking about the experience. You drive to school and you drive home, just like you would if you were after an AD from CPCC. There is nothing about UNCC that even remotely resembles a college atmosphere and that is why their students and alumni are so transient. No bars, no cool stores selling Charlotte gear, nothing but strip malls and franchises that you'd find just about anywhere else in the Charlotte area.

The football team and light rail should do wonders to help the culture but UNCC has absolutely no hope of establishing a large fanbase without building a decent culture, waiting for students that went to school in the culture to graduate and building from there. Their BBall average puts ours to shame of course, but this is their marquee sport, they're in the hunt for the championship of a VERY good bball conference, and they still can't draw 5,000 to the game. Why the hell would it be any different for football when they'll be playing and likely losing to FCS teams? These are team UNCC fans have never heard of, or in the case of the very obnoxious message board UNCC fans, have scoffed as inferior from the onset of their football endeavor. I just don't understand the unfounded optimism and arrogance of some of their delusional fanbase that I read on AGS, Appfan and CSNBBS. These people are thoroughly convinced that UNCC has left App State in the dust athletically, a school that owes its new conference membership to location alone. As if conference affiliation necessarily gives programs an edge anyway. Is Vandy a better program than Ohio State because the SEC>the Big 10?

Congratulations, you found the only home game played at Halton during the winter break. Similar to how your home football playoff games have lower attendance than your regular season games.

[JTApps1]

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Hate to post this and ruin a good discussion using things like "facts" and "reality."

Not sure how this correlates to academic standards. You offer more graduate programs and the vast majority of your alumni stay in Charlotte since thats where they are from anyways. Its also common knowledge that Mecklenburg has the highest paying jobs in the state. Having attended such a fine institution you probably already knew that it didnt coorelate though. Right? .If you wanna look at apples to apples then look at SAT and GPA admission standards. Those are facts that actually pertain to academic standards. Oh I forgot how damming those REAL fact were to your arguement. Nevermind see if you can dig up some other non academic related stat.

And I am sure YOU know that SAT and GPA admission standards are directly correlated to the schools growth pattern. As Charlotte continues to expand to meet it's goals it is reflected in admissions.

Honestly I don't understand the bickering. App is a fine school in a great location. Charlotte is a fine school in a big city. To each their own. App is happy with their relative size, Charlotte isn't. That is being played out currently. As popularity in App continues to grow I suspect your admission standards will continue to increase - which is a great thing for App and reflects well on your school. In Charlotte our administration and the BOG has decided that we need to achieve a certain size (35,000 or so) to be the institution the state needs us to be in this market. This makes sense given the population base of Charlotte, the various programs offered and the need to continue to establish a certain % of state funding. It isn't rocket science.

In the end though I just don't understand the hatred towards a school different than the one you attended. I've been to Boone, my wife grew up there. I have a ton of friends that went there. Great school for the people who want that. I also have friends and family that went to Charlotte as well as myself. Great school for the people who want that. What is so wrong with seeing things through that lens?

And finally on the topic of the thread. We kick off in August. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. In the past 4 years I have dropped over 5K for 49er Athletics - that's FSLs, football tickets, basketball tickets and club donations. Far more than I was willing to donate before we had football and there are plenty of other alums just like me. This sport will have a huge impact on the area and the fan base. I am sure that as a football first school you all understand that - it isn't like most of your fan base loves App basketball. Charlotte and the surrounding area has a ton of talent and being FBS certainly helps us. The CUSA connection will also open some doors for us from a recruiting stand point that were closed before. I am sure we will run into App on the recruiting trail plenty and I suspect that each school will win their fair share.

OK So go ahead and go back your your penis measuring on scores and such and I am sure some more uniformed and stereotypical comments.

I don't begrudge the 49ers for doing what is best for their school. Some of the 49er faithful did rub me wrong when the CUSA announcement was made (and even before that came to be) with all the trash talk directed towards App's football team. It was a bit much considering your team has never played a down, and we have over 75 years of history in football. It's also frustrating for our fan base to go through all the years of paying our dues, and then see upstart programs get the nod based purely on location alone.

For me though, what really makes me dislike UNCC athletics is the fact that they will no longer play us in basketball or baseball. At one time we had a good series going in both sports, but then Charlotte decided they were too good to come to Boone. That decision was made at a time when the Apps started winning on a regular basis in both sports. Call me crazy, but I see no incentive for us to support the 49ers efforts in football when we've been looked down on by the athletic department in Harrisburg. Judy Rose is doing everything in her power to discredit ASU to the other schools in CUSA which is a shame considering the rivalry we could build.

[Gonzo]

So if that holds true then the 7500 or so seats reserved for students should be full.... SHOULD being the key word there.

.....good luck with that.

Photo of the UNCC student section from this season, a very very good season:




UNCC is a glorified community college. I'm not talking about the degree, I'm talking about the experience. You drive to school and you drive home, just like you would if you were after an AD from CPCC. There is nothing about UNCC that even remotely resembles a college atmosphere and that is why their students and alumni are so transient. No bars, no cool stores selling Charlotte gear, nothing but strip malls and franchises that you'd find just about anywhere else in the Charlotte area.

The football team and light rail should do wonders to help the culture but UNCC has absolutely no hope of establishing a large fanbase without building a decent culture, waiting for students that went to school in the culture to graduate and building from there. Their BBall average puts ours to shame of course, but this is their marquee sport, they're in the hunt for the championship of a VERY good bball conference, and they still can't draw 5,000 to the game. Why the hell would it be any different for football when they'll be playing and likely losing to FCS teams? These are team UNCC fans have never heard of, or in the case of the very obnoxious message board UNCC fans, have scoffed as inferior from the onset of their football endeavor. I just don't understand the unfounded optimism and arrogance of some of their delusional fanbase that I read on AGS, Appfan and CSNBBS. These people are thoroughly convinced that UNCC has left App State in the dust athletically, a school that owes its new conference membership to location alone. As if conference affiliation necessarily gives programs an edge anyway. Is Vandy a better program than Ohio State because the SEC>the Big 10?

Congratulations, you found the only home game played at Halton during the winter break. Similar to how your home football playoff games have lower attendance than your regular season games.

Winter break is no different than the school year at UNCC. The kids drive to school for class, then drive to mom's place for the weekend/break. UNCC is 20 minutes from Charlotte. Boone is 2 hours. If App was sitting just outside of Charlotte you better believe we'd have ~25k for every home playoff game. What an incredibly lame and invalid excuse.

[NWA49]

So if that holds true then the 7500 or so seats reserved for students should be full.... SHOULD being the key word there.

.....good luck with that.

Photo of the UNCC student section from this season, a very very good season:




UNCC is a glorified community college. I'm not talking about the degree, I'm talking about the experience. You drive to school and you drive home, just like you would if you were after an AD from CPCC. There is nothing about UNCC that even remotely resembles a college atmosphere and that is why their students and alumni are so transient. No bars, no cool stores selling Charlotte gear, nothing but strip malls and franchises that you'd find just about anywhere else in the Charlotte area.

The football team and light rail should do wonders to help the culture but UNCC has absolutely no hope of establishing a large fanbase without building a decent culture, waiting for students that went to school in the culture to graduate and building from there. Their BBall average puts ours to shame of course, but this is their marquee sport, they're in the hunt for the championship of a VERY good bball conference, and they still can't draw 5,000 to the game. Why the hell would it be any different for football when they'll be playing and likely losing to FCS teams? These are team UNCC fans have never heard of, or in the case of the very obnoxious message board UNCC fans, have scoffed as inferior from the onset of their football endeavor. I just don't understand the unfounded optimism and arrogance of some of their delusional fanbase that I read on AGS, Appfan and CSNBBS. These people are thoroughly convinced that UNCC has left App State in the dust athletically, a school that owes its new conference membership to location alone. As if conference affiliation necessarily gives programs an edge anyway. Is Vandy a better program than Ohio State because the SEC>the Big 10?

Congratulations, you found the only home game played at Halton during the winter break. Similar to how your home football playoff games have lower attendance than your regular season games.

Winter break is no different than the school year at UNCC. The kids drive to school for class, then drive to mom's place for the weekend/break. UNCC is 20 minutes from Charlotte. Boone is 2 hours. If App was sitting just outside of Charlotte you better believe we'd have ~25k for every home playoff game. What an incredibly lame and invalid excuse.

Again - ya'll are some funny people.

This is such a useless statement and you are such a poor representative of the ASU fan base that further dialogue is without warrant. I have learned from discussing matters with you in the past that you are so blinded by whatever it is hate, bad moonshine, an unloving mother - that you can not have a healthy and honest discussion about topics involving ASU. I will continue to discuss things with some of your more educated, more logical fans who quite honestly are far better reflection of your university.